The lines between Codex, ChatGPT Work, and Dots is getting a bit blurry to me. I think the target should be a remote agent(s) in its own sandbox with long memory, and all three are heading in that direction so why have the distinctions?
Unless Dots is dramatically more capable than Muse, I'm also more bullish on Muse than Dots. I think Muse is a better consumer play because it can be forever subsidized by Meta ads and find distribution in family of apps while Dots is in a weird place between consumer & professional. From the release, it also sounds like you'll have to pay per Dot at some point which doesn't sound appealing.
Different UIs targeting audiences of various background, considering their knowledge of AI, wrapped in the correct medium the target would be most likely to embrace. In essence all harness are made the same ... more or less of course.
While there are people around here that think Anthropic/OpenAI tokens are "subsidized" to this day, I find it much more plausible that Muse tokens are, given Metas strategy of burning money, including on AI models, in hope of making something happen in a market they want to enter.
calling the tokens "subsidized" in a Muse subscription is incoherent. they arent selling the tokens. they are selling a product. the tokens are just part of the cost of making a product just like any other product in existence.
Trusting Meta literally a bad idea every single time. Like, every single time. Just use some open source stuff, or hell I've been building this for like the past year because I hate these companies: <a href="https://blackbear.app" rel="nofollow">https://blackbear.app
Well from my perspective I'm not a developer, $20/month for ChatGPT is the most I'm willing to pay to have access to a top class AI. I happily downloaded Muse to try out to figure out my own personal use case, and it's been pretty good so I could see myself eventually doing the $16/month plan if I need to hit so far the usage is pretty generous.
All this to say that at $100/month it's a complete non-starter.
It’s meant for rich casuals. If you watch the presentation, everyone they depicted using it seemed to be in some high paying which collar profession. I.e. it’s for people like the people who work at open ai.
I mean, I wouldn't touch anything done by meta if they were paying me that amount. I trust them the least with my private data - google does make money with via my data, but at least they have some resemblance of competency, especially when it comes to protecting said data.
While meta can't get Facebook to properly load a video or a comment chain on their goddamn main platform.
I would think Meta has learned a ton about cybersecurity and privacy + has quite established infra at this point. I would think twice before dismissing them based on vibes
This is some worst case scenario behavior for an agent. Whatever Meta has learned, they don’t apply. <a href="https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/1001886/meta-muse-ai-facebook-marketplace-security-concerns" rel="nofollow">https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/1001886/...
Because ChatGPT is still trying to capture and own the consumer AI market, and are willing to experiment and abstract their underlying models to do so.
Just look at their SuperBowl/World Cup Ads: Grandmas' talking to ChatGipitee, so cute, so mainstream!
This looks like the new Paperclip helper for a new generation--I guess this is their answer to the (failed?) Jony Ive collab/gizmo, and Muse's cute thingymajib...
The real question to me is: have they lost the coders/terminal bros? And this is their push to stay relevant?
Dots are not remote agents _in_ a sandbox. They use a sandboxes/environments, but they are, what is now called, "managed agents", meaning they run in a distributed harness and utilize environments when they need on.
At least that is what I can ascertain from this article: <a href="https://openai.com/index/how-we-build-safety-security-and-privacy-into-dots/" rel="nofollow">https://openai.com/index/how-we-build-safety-security-and-pr...
(see first diagram when scrolling down)
> Each dot has its own cloud computer, where it can browse, analyze information, create files, and run tools. Dots can keep making progress in these workspaces, even when you are not actively engaged.
> Within each dot’s protected workspace, sandboxing restricts what code and tools that dot can access, helping contain the impact of harmful code or a mistaken command. We also isolate users’ cloud environments from one another and maintain the underlying Linux operating system and Chrome browser
> Each dot’s cloud workspace brings together its computer and the tools it can use. You choose which apps to connect and whether to connect your personal computer. Auto-review checks actions that need review before they run
So it seems like it runs on a Linux container on OpenAI’s cloud infra, but can get access to your local env through ChatGPT’s/Codex on your computer if you give it access
yeah, it's not 100% clear, but notice nothing you quoted indicates that the dot harness itself runs inside said workspace. If you look at where OAI agent architecture has been going, they increasingly separate the harness from the compute env. See, "separating harness from compute" articles, recent "managed agents" offering, and so on.
If I'm reading between the lines correctly, the core Dot agent loop does not run in the workspace, but outside it.
Give me like two weeks and <a href="https://blackbear.app" rel="nofollow">https://blackbear.app will have a way more secure and open way of providing "always-on" features. These guys are data hoarding and as untrustworthy as it gets
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Unless Dots is dramatically more capable than Muse, I'm also more bullish on Muse than Dots. I think Muse is a better consumer play because it can be forever subsidized by Meta ads and find distribution in family of apps while Dots is in a weird place between consumer & professional. From the release, it also sounds like you'll have to pay per Dot at some point which doesn't sound appealing.
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All this to say that at $100/month it's a complete non-starter.
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While meta can't get Facebook to properly load a video or a comment chain on their goddamn main platform.
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Just look at their SuperBowl/World Cup Ads: Grandmas' talking to ChatGipitee, so cute, so mainstream!
This looks like the new Paperclip helper for a new generation--I guess this is their answer to the (failed?) Jony Ive collab/gizmo, and Muse's cute thingymajib...
The real question to me is: have they lost the coders/terminal bros? And this is their push to stay relevant?
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At least that is what I can ascertain from this article: <a href="https://openai.com/index/how-we-build-safety-security-and-privacy-into-dots/" rel="nofollow">https://openai.com/index/how-we-build-safety-security-and-pr... (see first diagram when scrolling down)
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> A protected workspace for each dot
> Each dot has its own cloud computer, where it can browse, analyze information, create files, and run tools. Dots can keep making progress in these workspaces, even when you are not actively engaged.
> Within each dot’s protected workspace, sandboxing restricts what code and tools that dot can access, helping contain the impact of harmful code or a mistaken command. We also isolate users’ cloud environments from one another and maintain the underlying Linux operating system and Chrome browser
> Each dot’s cloud workspace brings together its computer and the tools it can use. You choose which apps to connect and whether to connect your personal computer. Auto-review checks actions that need review before they run
So it seems like it runs on a Linux container on OpenAI’s cloud infra, but can get access to your local env through ChatGPT’s/Codex on your computer if you give it access
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If I'm reading between the lines correctly, the core Dot agent loop does not run in the workspace, but outside it.
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Anyways, I'm sure this Dots thing will be clearly distinct from the other projects and won't be deprecated within months
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