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1. wxw · 1790702770 · focus · HN ↗

   The lines between Codex, ChatGPT Work, and Dots is getting a bit blurry to me. I think the target should be a remote agent(s) in its own sandbox with long memory, and all three are heading in that direction so why have the distinctions?

   Unless Dots is dramatically more capable than Muse, I'm also more bullish on Muse than Dots. I think Muse is a better consumer play because it can be forever subsidized by Meta ads and find distribution in family of apps while Dots is in a weird place between consumer & professional. From the release, it also sounds like you'll have to pay per Dot at some point which doesn't sound appealing.

   1. rolosa · 1790703468 · focus · HN ↗

      Muse is $0/$16/$80 vs Dot being $100/$200/$500 so yeah I don't think Dot is meant for casuals.

      1. LollipopYakuza · 1790703693 · focus · HN ↗

         Is it really about what it offers, or about how each plan are subsidized by Meta and OpenAI?

         1. abirch · 1790704006 · focus · HN ↗

            Meta is probably making money off of Muse. They can sell ads with the information that they glean.

            1. jstummbillig · 1790704355 · focus · HN ↗

               While there are people around here that think Anthropic/OpenAI tokens are "subsidized" to this day, I find it much more plausible that Muse tokens are, given Metas strategy of burning money, including on AI models, in hope of making something happen in a market they want to enter.

               1. anthonypasq · 1790706827 · focus · HN ↗

                  calling the tokens "subsidized" in a Muse subscription is incoherent. they arent selling the tokens. they are selling a product. the tokens are just part of the cost of making a product just like any other product in existence.
            2. vineyardmike · 1790711052 · focus · HN ↗

               They’ve claimed they’re not using the data for ads… for now

               1. espadrine · 1790717713 · focus · HN ↗

                  There may be a reason that I cannot access it from the EU. There, they cannot repurpose data they swallowed for another use without consent.
            3. rheisen_ · 1790719191 · focus · HN ↗

               Trusting Meta literally a bad idea every single time. Like, every single time. Just use some open source stuff, or hell I&#x27;ve been building this for like the past year because I hate these companies: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blackbear.app" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blackbear.app
         2. rolosa · 1790704393 · focus · HN ↗

            Well from my perspective I&#x27;m not a developer, $20&#x2F;month for ChatGPT is the most I&#x27;m willing to pay to have access to a top class AI. I happily downloaded Muse to try out to figure out my own personal use case, and it&#x27;s been pretty good so I could see myself eventually doing the $16&#x2F;month plan if I need to hit so far the usage is pretty generous.

            All this to say that at $100&#x2F;month it&#x27;s a complete non-starter.

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