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Car is a smartphone on wheels. Here's who's listening

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recursivedoubts · 1791130583 · focus · HN ↗
It has been demonstrated repeatedly that modern cars can be remotely hijacked and controlled as well. We really do live in a dystopia.
1. WalterGR · 1791132876 · focus · HN ↗
  That would be quite shocking. Links?
  1. bookofjoe · 1791133281 · focus · HN ↗
    >Cybersecurity experts hack and take remote control of SUV (2015)
    <a href="https://youtu.be/DoP71LeQt3o?si=eSWRTaBYmzAOPWEz" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/DoP71LeQt3o?si=eSWRTaBYmzAOPWEz
  2. OptionOfT · 1791133305 · focus · HN ↗
    Old article: <a href="https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/" rel="nofollow">https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-hig...
    Fast forward to today: getting access to the canbus (e.g. via headlights) allow you to steal the car: <a href="https://www.theregister.com/security/2023/04/06/how-thieves-steal-cars-using-vehicle-can-bus/1028617" rel="nofollow">https://www.theregister.com/security/2023/04/06/how-thieves-...
    Given the integration of these modules, is it that weird that you could send signals the other way?
    kube-system · 1791140197 · focus · HN ↗
    > Given the integration of these modules, is it that weird that you could send signals the other way?
    No, but there are simple solutions to this: a firewall, which is how this has been fixed on some cars.
    recursivedoubts · 1791159692 · focus · HN ↗
    You trust car makers to get that right?
    You trust state actors to not force them to not get it right?
    kube-system · 1791164011 · focus · HN ↗
    I don't trust any of them -- I simply commented on the fact that it is a solvable problem.
  3. jerf · 1791135837 · focus · HN ↗
    Shocking?
    Why would it be shocking?
    It would be shocking if it weren't possible. Being a car does not confer any sort of magical protection against hacking because "it's just a car" or something.
  4. recursivedoubts · 1791159920 · focus · HN ↗
    <a href="https://www.ioactive.com/remote-exploitation-of-an-unaltered-passenger-vehicle/" rel="nofollow">https://www.ioactive.com/remote-exploitation-of-an-unaltered...
    <a href="https://blackhat.com/docs/us-17/thursday/us-17-Nie-Free-Fall-Hacking-Tesla-From-Wireless-To-CAN-Bus-wp.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://blackhat.com/docs/us-17/thursday/us-17-Nie-Free-Fall...
    <a href="https://i.blackhat.com/Asia-25/Asia-25-Evdokimov-Remote-Exploitation-of-Nissan-Leaf.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://i.blackhat.com/Asia-25/Asia-25-Evdokimov-Remote-Expl...

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