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1. wewewedxfgdf · 1790799087 · focus · HN ↗

   Gemini is so far behind that it is effectively useless compared to Claude.

   It's a surprise that Google has let themselves lose the game given their infinite cash, massive computing resource, gargantuan information store/training data, and vast number of programmers.

   The truckloads of ads revenue mean they don't have the single focus drive needed to win.

   1. VirusNewbie · 1790799209 · focus · HN ↗

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      1. handfuloflight · 1790799342 · focus · HN ↗

         You have access to Argon?

         1. osti · 1790799478 · focus · HN ↗

            Google employees do.
         2. matthewfcarlson · 1790799677 · focus · HN ↗

            Their profile says: > Currently at Google as a Sr. SWE SRE on the cloud.
   2. jjice · 1790799313 · focus · HN ↗

      We're like 3.5 years into this new era - I'm not counting winners or losers yet.
   3. LoganDark · 1790799422 · focus · HN ↗

      I've tasted Gemini through an intermediary and it feels far better at attention to detail than other models I've tested (Claude Opus/Sonnet, GPT whatever it's called nowadays). But it's less likely to get one-shots right.
   4. bel8 · 1790799424 · focus · HN ↗

      I wonder if Google bans internal use of Claude/Codex.

      And I wonder if Google's main monorepo is already in Anthropic/OpenAI training data because of some stubborn dev.

      1. krat0sprakhar · 1790799953 · focus · HN ↗

         (I work at Google) Yes, internally we all use Jetski (internal version of Antigravity). Outside of Gemini, Opus models are supported and allowed for internal use. No OpenAI models since they are not on Vertex
      2. lunarboy · 1790800116 · focus · HN ↗

         Claude used to be GDM only, but recently opened up Opus for all googlers
      3. heyjamesknight · 1790803353 · focus · HN ↗

         No way to run OAI on a machine with monorepo access even if you wanted to. Claude runs on Vertex so it's not leaving Google infrastructure.
   5. mattlondon · 1790799590 · focus · HN ↗

      How is it far behind? The benchmarks published in the blog post show it is superior to Opus 5.5 and Astra 6?

      Behind how?

      1. wewewedxfgdf · 1790799802 · focus · HN ↗

         Within one question of their web interface, it has lost context and asks you to clarify what you are talking about.

         1. mattlondon · 1790800239 · focus · HN ↗

            So you have no experience of their latest model release then? Just repeating the usual tropes about Google having messed up? Or basing your opinions on their website chatbot?

            If you have actual independent benchmarks and evidence about how this new model release is "so far behind" and refutes the stuff from their blog then please do share because I think we'd all love to see that?

            1. wewewedxfgdf · 1790800559 · focus · HN ↗

               No I am commenting on my real world experience of using Gemini daily. I still ask it questions alongside Claude and OpenAI and Gemini is always the worst of the three.

               1. mattlondon · 1790801044 · focus · HN ↗

                  So you've not used this new release then? So how can you say that they are "so far behind" if you are not using the most recent model for your comparison. This is their first 4.0 model, that you are not using and instead basing all your opinions on on some ancient months-old model from a previous generation?

                  With respect, I don't find your arguement about them being "so far behind" especially convincing.

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   7. dhdjcjcjnd · 1790799841 · focus · HN ↗

      Google's strategy is to let their competitors bankrupt themselves while they continue to offer good-enough models near breakeven.
   8. gniv · 1790799983 · focus · HN ↗

      They are playing a longer-term and more enterprise-oriented game.

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   9. georgemcbay · 1790800090 · focus · HN ↗

      > Gemini is so far behind that it is effectively useless compared to Claude.

      I fundamentally don't understand LLM "brand loyalty".

      All of the models are constantly leapfrogging each other and always have been.

      Google had a long lag between releases (and still hasn't released Argon), but why wouldn't they be able to compete? It isn't like any of this stuff requires secret knowledge, the Bitter Lesson has proved true again and again, and Google can certainly scale computation, it is like the one single thing they've always done well in spite of all their other foibles.

      1. singingtoday · 1790800964 · focus · HN ↗

         I hope it can. Today it is very far behind.
      2. 786562354238 · 1790802260 · focus · HN ↗

         Gemini has never ever leapfrogged any competitor.
      3. wewewedxfgdf · 1790802911 · focus · HN ↗

         Its not brand loyalty. I use them all the time and have no loyalty - I'd happily ditch an LLM for better results - that's how I got to Claude from ChatGPT.
   10. ASalazarMX · 1790800488 · focus · HN ↗

       Funny how we start to see people supporting LLMs like we support sport teams, political parties, or celebrities.

       - Person 1: X is garbage compared to Y!

       - Person 2: Why?

       - Person 1: Because I like Y.

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