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Gemini 4 Argon

1699 points · 1187 comments · bradleyg223

  1. wewewedxfgdf · · focus · HN ↗
    Gemini is so far behind that it is effectively useless compared to Claude.

    It's a surprise that Google has let themselves lose the game given their infinite cash, massive computing resource, gargantuan information store/training data, and vast number of programmers.

    The truckloads of ads revenue mean they don't have the single focus drive needed to win.

    1. mattlondon · · focus · HN ↗
      How is it far behind? The benchmarks published in the blog post show it is superior to Opus 5.5 and Astra 6?

      Behind how?

      1. wewewedxfgdf · · focus · HN ↗
        Within one question of their web interface, it has lost context and asks you to clarify what you are talking about.
        1. mattlondon · · focus · HN ↗
          So you have no experience of their latest model release then? Just repeating the usual tropes about Google having messed up? Or basing your opinions on their website chatbot?

          If you have actual independent benchmarks and evidence about how this new model release is "so far behind" and refutes the stuff from their blog then please do share because I think we'd all love to see that?

          1. wewewedxfgdf · · focus · HN ↗
            No I am commenting on my real world experience of using Gemini daily. I still ask it questions alongside Claude and OpenAI and Gemini is always the worst of the three.
            1. mattlondon · · focus · HN ↗
              So you've not used this new release then? So how can you say that they are "so far behind" if you are not using the most recent model for your comparison. This is their first 4.0 model, that you are not using and instead basing all your opinions on on some ancient months-old model from a previous generation?

              With respect, I don't find your arguement about them being "so far behind" especially convincing.

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