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500k facial scans at UK stations yield no arrests, 1 false positive

518 points · 305 comments · ilamont

benbristow · 1790684193 · focus · HN ↗
I've had an idea in the back of my head but I'm no businessman so have this one for free.
Build an AI model, train it from the catalogues of JD Sports and Sports Direct (and other brands like Stone Island etc.) and how to detect balaclavas, illegal electric bikes and e-scooters. Have it link to cameras and do a percentage chance using machine learning on chance of crime. Also increase the percentage if a 'wheely' is done (riding only on back wheel).
Would minority report the majority of crime in this country in one fell swoop.
Could call it ScroteScanner.
Some would call it discrimination but the majority of ASB I see around my area are people dressed/using those exact things.
If they start to catch-on (unlikely) then worse case we have a fancier looking society with gangsters in suits again.
1. blitzar · 1790684400 · focus · HN ↗
  Its like Shazam for Scrotes
  1. benbristow · 1790684510 · focus · HN ↗
    Indeed.
2. iamacyborg · 1790684452 · focus · HN ↗
  Set up some automated scanners for cyclists jumping red lights in the City as well.
  1. benbristow · 1790684701 · focus · HN ↗
    Hm, would depend if they're on rented or own bikes.
    Rented you're charged by the minute so there's a financial incentive even for non-scrotes.
    graemep · 1790685456 · focus · HN ↗
    If you jump a red light you are a scrote.
    [deleted] · 1790686128 · focus · HN ↗
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    iamacyborg · 1790685776 · focus · HN ↗
    We also need a points-based system on the tube, if you’re walking slowly in tunnels blocking traffic at rush hour because you’re staring at your phone you get a point. 5 points and you get a 6 month ban from the tube.
    someonebaggy · 1790686109 · focus · HN ↗
    Yes. Also 10 years in jail if you litter.
    iamacyborg · 1790686487 · focus · HN ↗
    Let’s not be too harsh, 3 years should be sufficient.
    benbristow · 1790726487 · focus · HN ↗
    Honestly, sounds like a good idea. Scumbag behaviour.
    tempfile · 1790686248 · focus · HN ↗
    Are you seriously excusing bad behaviour on the basis that there was a financial incentive to behave badly?!
    benbristow · 1790686515 · focus · HN ↗
    Not excusing it but it's a large reason to why people skip red lights on rented bikes and electric scooters. It's more of a reason than just doing it because you're not afraid of the law.
    iamacyborg · 1790686880 · focus · HN ↗
    I don’t think that’s true given how many people do it with their own bikes.
    benbristow · 1790687209 · focus · HN ↗
    <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm270ldjl37o" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm270ldjl37o
    iamacyborg · 1790688278 · focus · HN ↗
    The only mention of red light jumping is the victim’s opinion that it’s a factor.
  2. someonebaggy · 1790686085 · focus · HN ↗
    Can we make the city scanners look like the ones in HL2?
3. Waterluvian · 1790684826 · focus · HN ↗
  They should just round up and imprison all the people who walk in my neighbourhood.
  Some would call it discrimination but the majority of people who commit crimes in my area are people who can walk. I rarely see the wheelchair crowd pulling off B&Es.
  Oh, or people who wear clothes. Criminals seem to like wearing clothes. Point proven: you never see nudists shoplifting Old Navy.
  1. bellowsgulch · 1790684972 · focus · HN ↗
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    natpalmer1776 · 1790686236 · focus · HN ↗
    I would rather all my shit get stolen at gunpoint and my local grocers close due to rampant shoplifting than put a single innocent man in jail over some bullshit “minority report”-esque pre-crime algorithm someone with three squares and reliable housing decided was a good idea.
    The problem with stereotypes isn’t that they are usually right (they’re not), it’s that they’re sometimes (usually) wrong.
    n4r9 · 1790687221 · focus · HN ↗
    The other problem is that stereotyping an entire social group simply alienates the members of that group. They perceive that society doesn't trust or value them, so in response they don't trust or value society. See e.g. racial profiling in the London Met's use of stop-and-search powers.
    If your ultimate goal is harm-reduction, then stereotyping is irrational.
    natpalmer1776 · 1790688388 · focus · HN ↗
    Unfortunately it seems most of the people who I've spoken to that advocate for prosecution-by-stereotype don't want to understand the nuance involved in causing groups to become disenfranchised. In the eyes of the people I've spoken to there is never any reason to commit a crime and if you associate with people who do then you're no better than the criminals.
    It's a serious lack of empathy and understanding.
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    antonvs · 1790687243 · focus · HN ↗
    If you seriously want to arrest people based on stereotypes, you deserve far worse than annoyance.
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  2. benbristow · 1790685059 · focus · HN ↗
    People on illegal escooters or illegal electric bikes are already committing crimes, there's rarely a decent reason to be wearing a balaclava in the city.
    As I said, machine learning to take all these pointers into perspective.
    MSFT_Edging · 1790685459 · focus · HN ↗
    In the age of everything being filmed in a panopticon, I look at the teens wearing balaclava and wonder where they bought theirs. Good on them for having a modicum of privacy.
    Waterluvian · 1790685890 · focus · HN ↗
    I think what makes this resemble a moronic idea is it’s a thin veneer of an invention based on your personal stereotyped perspective.
    The real challenge, if you wanted to work on the meat of the issue, is that we need to reduce crime without catching the innocent in the net, without having a chilling effect on legal behaviour and people’s rights, and without normalizing the mindset that we should just precrime people.
    One of the core points of Minority Report is in the film’s title: that even if technology becomes 99.99% accurate, we are still damned by the destruction of due process and the presumption of innocence.
    I think ideas like yours belong in the incinerator.
    b112 · 1790687891 · focus · HN ↗
    While what you say has merit in isolation, you're replying to a post where the person says "they're already doing illegal things". If the cameras pick up people "breaking the law", using further algo on that seems... sensible?
    EG, the gatekeep is 'already should get a ticket or something'.
    I actually oppose all cameras, and think we should just have more police in the streets. It's how policing used to be done. Human judgement.
    benbristow · 1790725687 · focus · HN ↗
    I would agree to having more police in the street, but their budget just seems to be getting cut week after week and they're struggling. They seem to be around 9-5 and after that the streets turn into a free-for-all.
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    some_random · 1790689477 · focus · HN ↗
    The balaclava thing is stupid, but you're missing the point that they're already doing something illegal. If you think anti-ebike law is stupid then that law should be repealed, not ignored.
    ryandrake · 1790694737 · focus · HN ↗
    There are degrees of crime though. Is going after e-bikes really important enough to justify a surveillance panopticon?
    I mean, in some places jaywalking is a crime. Do we really need to spend resources going after jaywalkers?
    some_random · 1790713850 · focus · HN ↗
    No, I certainly don't think so. The problem is that fighting people pushing the surveillance panopticon by lying about their motivations doesn't work.
    pjc50 · 1790690922 · focus · HN ↗
    The unlicensed ebike, while not a serious problem, is a really annoying one in certain places, and everybody suspects that it's not a wave of people doing it but in fact a fairly small number of people doing antisocial things over and over again. Who are relying on being untraceable and on a versatile getaway vehicle.
    <a href="https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2025/11/thirteen-e-bikes-seized-during-police-operation-in-fountainbridge/?print=print" rel="nofollow">https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2025/11/thirteen-e-bikes-...
    Note that "illegal motorbike with no plates" is an offense that you can detect just by looking at it. There's no "pre" in the crime. The problem is either stopping them or tracing them.
    gadders · 1790693062 · focus · HN ↗
    ..And the broken windows theory of prosecuting minor crime to deter major crime worked pretty well in Guiliani New York.
    madeofpalk · 1790700828 · focus · HN ↗
    Wait. Is this Poe’s Law in action? This isn’t satire or sarcasm?
    someonebaggy · 1790686045 · focus · HN ↗
    Is arresting someone for (what fact about?) their scooter actually making society better?
    Comments like these reinforce my belief that the UK is a panopticon because UK residents sincerely want one and not because the government is corrupt.
    benbristow · 1790686628 · focus · HN ↗
    Yes, they actively make public spaces unpleasant and dangerous. Town centres are on their knees as people don't want to go there anymore due to ASB like this.
    someonebaggy · 1790688664 · focus · HN ↗
    Wow! How bad does a scooter have to be for people to avoid the whole town center?
    benbristow · 1790688830 · focus · HN ↗
    It's not just them, you've got ebikes going 30mph, kids/teens congregating on bikes in balaclavas. Come look for yourself and see if you don't feel intimidated.
    someonebaggy · 1790690640 · focus · HN ↗
    Oh! I live somewhere like that. I just don't be intimidated by things unless I have a reason to be intimidated. Although scary looking people congregate sometimes, they've never actually harmed me so I don't avoid the whole area. And the few times I've ever interacted with a scary looking person, they were chill.
    Tendency to fear has to be one of those personality axes. Studies found that political conservatives have larger amygdala (the part of their brain that governs things like fear) so maybe this is something similar.
    its_ethan · 1790694870 · focus · HN ↗
    This is the mindset I'd expect from a toddler - "it hasn't happened to me yet so it's not a problem and people who think it is are overreacting".
    Should we also treat drinking and driving a no-big-deal thing since you haven't been affected by that either? Can you let us know what else your fellow countrymen are doing wrong in your estimation, based on your own narrow slice of lived experiences?
    Can you really not put yourself in the shoes of, say, a young woman walking home in the dark feeling intimidated by a group of men wearing masks? Like it takes half a second of self-reflection and critical thinking to come up with a very believable, commonly occurring scenario that would lead to someone thinking differently than you. Give it a try sometime.
    Another user a level up in this thread has also linked articles to 2 hospitalizations and a dead dog that are the result of e-bikes being used in places they're prohibited, so clearly it's an issue that needs addressing. Being smarmy and self-aggrandizing about it is a really bad look for you.
    someonebaggy · 1790699744 · focus · HN ↗
    > "it hasn't happened to me yet so it's not a problem and people who think it is are overreacting".
    I've never been attacked by a ghost-possessed toothbrush but I still avoid the toothbrush aisle just in case. It's a real problem. I'm not overreacting.
    its_ethan · 1790715617 · focus · HN ↗
    Thanks for doubling down on being facetious and making me feel better that I didn't just jump to conclusions about you, and that I made the right assumptions lol
    cguess · 1790691701 · focus · HN ↗
    AH! THE YOUTH!
    pjc50 · 1790691333 · focus · HN ↗
    <a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/police-report-three-surron-style-electric-motorbikes-involved-in-edinburgh-hit-and-run-8746045" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/police-report-th... (hospitalized woman)
    <a href="https://www.pressreader.com/uk/edinburgh-evening-news/20260905/281509348060994" rel="nofollow">https://www.pressreader.com/uk/edinburgh-evening-news/202609... (killed dog)
    <a href="https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-motorist-chases-e-bike-33862396" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburg...
    <a href="https://news.stv.tv/east-central/schoolboy-charged-and-teens-traced-after-illegal-off-road-bike-use-and-fire-raising-in-edinburgh" rel="nofollow">https://news.stv.tv/east-central/schoolboy-charged-and-teens...
    <a href="https://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2025/04/28/police-scotland-give-update-on-e-bike-patrols-after-spate-of-incidents-in-city/" rel="nofollow">https://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2025/04/28/police-scotland-gi... (hospitalized kid)
    All fun and games until someone gets seriously injured or their dog killed. I had a run-in a couple of years ago with some kids on a motorbike trying (unsuccessfully) to knock me off my pedal bike.
    someonebaggy · 1790694784 · focus · HN ↗
    And the problem with this is that the scooter doesn't have a license plate, is it?
    pjc50 · 1790695626 · focus · HN ↗
    That enables the hit-and-run incidents. The whole point of making vehicles have license plates in the first place is traceability for criminal and civil liability for injury or damage.
    someonebaggy · 1790699681 · focus · HN ↗
    Has anyone with a license plate ever hit and ran?
    deadbunny · 1790697523 · focus · HN ↗
    Most town centres are 90% boarded up forgotten realms. They have been in decline for decades, blaming it on people riding e-scooters and illegal e-motorcycles is laughable.
    benbristow · 1790725882 · focus · HN ↗
    It's a catch-22. They're boarded up realms because even after the online shopping revolution and attempts to regenerate them people don't want to go because they're full of deadbeats and ASB. Who would want to open a business there? For christ sake our local McDonalds is now playing Mozart at full blast in the evening outside to try and keep the ferral youth away as it's in the bang center and a popular hangout spot. It's somewhat working to an extent, but they're still around.
    There's going to be a generation of ex-youths nostalgic for Mozart from their days hanging around McDonald's - I'd get shares in Classic FM if you've got money.
    sebzim4500 · 1790687728 · focus · HN ↗
    > Is arresting someone for (what fact about?) their scooter actually making society better?
    In London people are scooters are often mildly annoying.
    >Comments like these reinforce my belief that the UK is a panopticon because UK residents sincerely want one and not because the government is corrupt.
    You are correct, despite what you will see on HN/reddit the UK electorate are united only in wanting more authoritarianism at any cost.
    smcg · 1790691131 · focus · HN ↗
    brexit proved that the UK would rather stab itself than show accord with anyone
    pjc50 · 1790691578 · focus · HN ↗
    > (what fact about?) their scooter actually making society better?
    - illegal motorbike (ebike not complying with type restrictions)
    - no plates (enables evading liability for damage or injury caused)
    - underage riders / no license (danger to self and others)
    - no helmet (personally I'm least bothered about this, but it is a legal requirement and safety issue if you're doing high speeds on a motorbike without one)
    The "no plates" leads to hit-and-run incidents in which people have been seriously injured and a dog killed. There have also been incidents of these underage illegal riders getting themselves killed or seriously injured; while that's their own fault it's not something we should entirely shrug off.
    > because UK residents sincerely want one
    Yeah, this is kind of a general problem (online ""safety""), but the ebike kids are also a real problem. And not just in the UK.
    adammarples · 1790686528 · focus · HN ↗
    Trouble is you'd be scooping up 90% of boys in a certain race, class, age bracket, because those ballys and bikes and Nike tech are effectively fashion at this point even if you're doing nothing wrong. And if that's the case you don't need AI you can just wait outside the school gates and arrest everyone.
    benbristow · 1790686705 · focus · HN ↗
    Those are the types likely to be committing a lot of the crimes. Come to a working class town and see for yourself, or go on any local town Facebook group or council page and look at the comments.
    [deleted] · 1790690660 · focus · HN ↗
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    adammarples · 1790696386 · focus · HN ↗
    I'm in Tottenham I don't need to go to your town to get the point. However the point remains, you can't just arrest an entire social cohort.
    benbristow · 1790697305 · focus · HN ↗
    Wasn't saying arrest, I mean pre warning/monitoring. If you run a shop you'd get an alert saying watch your fours.
    someonebaggy · 1790699931 · focus · HN ↗
    So the police should set up a Flock network for teenage boys or what?
    benbristow · 1790726263 · focus · HN ↗
    I have no idea what Flock is, last I knew it was a web browser designed for social media which failed.
    someonebaggy · 1790756469 · focus · HN ↗
    You must've been living under a rock. Flock is the panopticon camera network in the USA. It watches most people's location most of the time, so the police can just type in someone's identifier and find out where they are and where they've been.
    someonebaggy · 1790699902 · focus · HN ↗
    Indeed, that's why it's recommended to stand outside the school gates and arrest them as they leave school. Very efficient.
    benbristow · 1790726353 · focus · HN ↗
    Not arrest, you could monitor though. Personal anecdote but it's clear that after 3pm/4pm once they leave school they start to scatter around. It's rather peaceful for the most part before then. Chaos on school holidays.
    roryirvine · 1790691647 · focus · HN ↗
    It'd be much more effective to close the gaping loopholes which allow importing, selling, and servicing unrestricted and unsafe ebikes and escooters (currently you just need to have some small print informing riders that they should be insured, licensed, and only use them on roads where mopeds are permitted - even though no-one actually does that).
    Ideally, you'd go back in time and do this before the problem really took off - but failing that, you could introduce scrappage/swap schemes to incentivise taking existing bikes out of circulation.
    To tighten things up further, you might think about making safety certification mandatory, and force delivery platforms to take responsibility for ensuring that their riders are using only certified bikes.
    Deal with the source of the problem rather than wasting police time on chasing down every teenage cyclist or bringing back sus laws.
    z3c0 · 1790704732 · focus · HN ↗
    I'd say the biggest indicator towards crime is self-absorption and lack of empathy. Apparently, HN comments are great place to devise a corpus upon.
  3. someonebaggy · 1790699649 · focus · HN ↗
    I think they do that in American suburbia
4. embedding-shape · 1790685238 · focus · HN ↗
  Hook this up into the facial recognition tech they're in no doubt are already using, and then you could also collect data from people's social profiles, ensure they vote for the right parties and generally don't get into trouble like opposing mainstream political ideas and such things.
  I've spent a whole of 15 seconds thinking about this and I don't foresee a single drawback here, lets just try it and see if we can prevent future crimes 100%, because then the future will have been saved.
5. toyg · 1790685380 · focus · HN ↗
  The degree to which the British underclasses adopted a dress-code in the late '80s (quite conveniently, for the authorities), is a social phenomenon that should be studied. They openly self-discriminate, willingly reducing opportunities and outcomes. Was it just evolutionary adaptation (tracksuits make it easier to run in dangerous situations), or was it pursuit of a tribal sense of belonging?
  1. gib444 · 1790686730 · focus · HN ↗
    Hah, you could argue it was heavily influenced by Italy. You had the posh Milanese young people wearing brands (also as tribal markers). Same phenomenon, but at the opposite end of the class system. The British 'football casual' crowd were obsessed with that fashion in Italy.
    IMO they're really just aspiring to be able to afford high-end versions of the same clothing. It's the opposite of trying to look poor. Misguided, obviously
6. schnitzelstoat · 1790685983 · focus · HN ↗
  They could just make sentencing tougher and keep criminals in prison.
  The strongest predictor (by far) for committing a crime is having a prior criminal record.
  1. n4r9 · 1790686998 · focus · HN ↗
    Don't you think that isolating people in poor conditions amongst hardened criminals might make them more likely to commit crime when they get released?
  2. deadbunny · 1790697933 · focus · HN ↗
    The strongest predictor for crime is poverty.
7. echelon_musk · 1790686446 · focus · HN ↗
  > foul swoop
  It's "fell swoop".
  1. antonvs · 1790687327 · focus · HN ↗
    In this case it fits. It's a foul idea.
8. TheOtherHobbes · 1790686636 · focus · HN ↗
  We already have plenty of gangsters in suits. They travel in taxis and chauffeured cars, not on e-scooters.
9. mtrovo · 1790686810 · focus · HN ↗
  I would love to see a similar model trained on the Forbes 30 under 30 to catch all the young financial creatives wearing Patagonia gilets.
  It would probably pay for itself.
  1. benbristow · 1790726424 · focus · HN ↗
    Can't say I disagree.
10. maeln · 1790688661 · focus · HN ↗
  Having lived in shitty neighborhood all my life (not in the UK tho'), I find this pretty laughable. First off, you would be surprised at how petty criminal caught on police tactic fairly quickly and find way around them. But in general, you will just get petty criminal. Sure they are a nuisance, but more a symptom than a cause. And let's say we do just that. You arrest thousand upon thousand of balaclava-wearing, e-scooter driving dudes. What do you do then ? Most of them will have to be released because, well, they didn't do anything. You might catch some of them with minor charges like drug possession or possession of a knife or something. You successfully wasted thousands of police and justice man-hours for a few petty charges which won't change anything. “Solving” crime is a hard problem, and one with 0 simple solutions and many, many things we have to work on as a society. Your idea is a net negative in prertty much all aspect.
  1. ang_cire · 1790691551 · focus · HN ↗
    I think you're missing the real intent of their proposal, which is not to give them due process and release them. Their other comments make it very clear they just want certain people to be gone from their local spaces.
  2. dhx · 1790695632 · focus · HN ↗
    There is plenty of criminology research, including research focussed on long term use of surveillance cameras in London, that supports what you've said.
    - Many perpetrators are committing crimes with alcohol and drug impairments, mental disabilities, and as "crimes of passion". You could point 1000 cameras at the scene of the crime and many perpetrators are not going to notice nor care about the cameras. Unfortunately for surveillance camera proponents it's typically the crimes most warranting prevention and investigation (e.g. crimes such as assault) that are impacted least by surveillance cameras. Surveillance cameras instead have been found to have some deterrent effect on minor property crimes (e.g. theft of bicycles or cars) but whether the state is going to invest the resources into investigating and convicting someone who stole a <$1000 bicycle is questionable especially when insurance exists and the onus can then be placed back on property owners to do more to secure their property from thieves.
    - Perpetrators were being convicted without use of surveillance cameras and can continue to be convicted without use of surveillance cameras. There may be some argument that surveillance cameras help reduce the cost of getting a conviction (e.g. less evidence needing to be captured?) but not much support to the idea that conviction rates are higher. Quite often the courts, corrections system, government (for funding), etc will push back for a number of reasons--lack of funding for courts to hear minor cases, lack of funding for correction systems, correction systems being found in their current state of funding to have adverse impacts on future criminality, etc.
    - The cost-benefit of operating surveillance cameras versus the cost-benefit of spending on other areas of policing (or just public spending in areas such as education and welfare) is hotly debated. Total cost of ownership for each surveillance camera is typically a lot more than people may expect, particularly due to the labour cost of reviewing and processing stored surveillance camera footage. There are of course all the other obvious costs too--camera equipment every X years, poles, cabinets, electricity conduit installation, data cable conduit installation, wireless repeater installation including leases, backhaul data costs, data centre hosting costs, labour costs for support/operations staff--none of this is cheap. What if this same funding was instead invested in other programs--would there also be reduced crime levels some years in the future?
    [1] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-circuit_television#Crime_prevention" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-circuit_television#Crim...
11. igleria · 1790688808 · focus · HN ↗
  Technically you are proposing targeting poor people with extra steps. charming.
  1. benbristow · 1790726629 · focus · HN ↗
    Have you seen the prices of clothes from the stores I mentioned? Not cheap unless they're knock-offs.
12. some_random · 1790689366 · focus · HN ↗
  Finding these people is not the hard part, they're walking around everywhere. The police either don't care or aren't allowed to enforce the law.
13. dgellow · 1790691955 · focus · HN ↗
  Are you a flock investor? That what I expect a flock investor to sound like.
14. trashb · 1790692418 · focus · HN ↗
  You may want to check your numbers and remember there is a huge negativity bias on crime.
  It seems the sense of safety is often different from the actual numbers especially when stereotypes are involved as shown in parent comment regarding to e-scooters. To such an extent that there is the phenomenon called the crime decline paradox.
  <a href="https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/public-perceptions-of-crime-at-odds-with-reality-study-finds" rel="nofollow">https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/public-perceptions-of-crime-at-od...
  1. gadders · 1790692757 · focus · HN ↗
    You also need to factor in how the police won't actually turn up for most crimes, so there is no point reporting unless you need to do so for insurance policies.
    Also, clicking through, you can see the whole report is some panglossian delusion aimed at making Reform supporters look bad.
    trashb · 1790693583 · focus · HN ↗
    > You also need to factor in how the police won't actually turn up for most crimes, so there is no point reporting unless you need to do so for insurance policies.
    Do you have sources for that?
    I see how it could be read as a political coloured article however since you are already "clicking through" you might want to continue clicking to the actual data sources. The takeaway I had from the article is that in any political group people are misjudging the crime rates it is not relevant to the discussion what political ideology is at a higher rate. If you search online there is a wealth of different articles about this topic from multiple political standpoints and different countries where unrest is growing around crime prevention and perception.
    gadders · 1790696762 · focus · HN ↗
    The source is the experiences of friends, neighbours, colleagues as well as newspaper stories.
15. pixeljam · 1790697914 · focus · HN ↗
  Unfortunately, this would actually catch shitheads and improve the country, so the UK would never do this.
16. lukewarm707 · 1790699132 · focus · HN ↗
  they're calling it "prejudice"
  (praeiudicium, a judgement in advance)

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