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1. throwaw12 · 1790667705 · focus · HN ↗

   Unfortunately, millions of lives lost, another millions started hating US for what it did to their families.

   I am curious what did the world gain from this?

   1. exe34 · 1790667858 · focus · HN ↗

      Oil

      1. mahboi · 1790668783 · focus · HN ↗

         This "oil" thing is a cover for Israeli lobbying

         1. gregoryyy · 1790671611 · focus · HN ↗

            Yeah! My wife leaving me and taking the kids is also a cover for Israeli lobbying.

            1. za3faran · 1790728988 · focus · HN ↗

               Let's not dilute things. The "greater israel" goal is on full display.

               1. gregoryyy · 1790761881 · focus · HN ↗

                  It's actually just the elite class of mafioso that have weasled their way into power. Israel is convenient for them to support, as amongst other things they can test weapons on the population there. But "Israel secretly controlling everything" is a cute narrative for profoundly naive people of limited intelligence (on the right and left). Get rid of Israel and kill all the Jews - you'll still have the same class of people controlling everything, but with less leverage in the middle east (if Israel goes to the Muslims and not the Christian evangelicals or some secular corporate group, in which case business as usual). Having a scapegoat makes the world a nice easy place to understand, and more importantly makes people easy to control.

                  1. za3faran · 1790796247 · focus · HN ↗

                     Why do you need "leverage" in the Middle East? Haven't they suffered enough since ~WWI colonization (including Africa and India and the surrounding regions)?

                     I haven't seen any serious circles and discussions that use israel as a scapegoat for every issue that arises, but it is also naive to deny what we see in front of our eyes and hear with our ears first hand from their own ministers; it's more clear now than ever.

                     1. mahboi · 1790799267 · focus · HN ↗

                        Frankly I don't care about whether or not they're colonized. Ottomans colonized the entire Mid East before, and Persia had its empire mostly in the same borders as today; that's just how the region works. I care that the US is doing things against its own interest.

                        1. za3faran · 1790821765 · focus · HN ↗

                           The Ottoman Caliphate was nothing like western colonialism.

                           Is it against the interest of the US to cease supporting foreign entities and commit war crimes in the region?

                           1. mahboi · 1790872483 · focus · HN ↗

                              I meant it's against US interests to support Israel. We're spending insane amounts of money and diplomatic capital for very little in return. It doesn't help against any of our serious enemies like Russia. It's not even a colony because it's not under US control like Venezuela is.

                              1. za3faran · 1790874241 · focus · HN ↗

                                 > We're spending insane amounts of money and diplomatic capital for very little in return.

                                 One can argue it's having negative return. Hopefully more Americans wake up and vote to stop burning their taxes.

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