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Burning Man death rates – A short lesson in statistics

179 points · 243 comments · viraj_shah

  1. michael1999 · · focus · HN ↗
    Some of this is selection bias, but lots of this is active work by the organizers.

    Burning Man has slowly re-created the regulatory state in response to the standard pressures of civilization. To their credit, this has often been in response to near-misses, but sometimes in response to fatalities. It started with sanitation (potties), and banning guns/explosives. You can have 100 people shooting guns at a party in the desert without sanitation and muddle through. At 10k, you are building a cholera-mad-max experiment. A car running over a sleeping person prompted a designated road network. And then they adopted zoning, with hush-ville and the large sound installation ends. All supported by the ranger team preventing injury every day. Civilization is work.

    1. poulpy123 · · focus · HN ↗
      Kinda insane they needed a death to reinvent streets imho.
      1. xboxnolifes · · focus · HN ↗
        It's not insane, and it was just explained how it happens. You don't need streets when you have 10 people. Or 100 people. But there comes a threshold where you do need them. The question remains, how do you recognize or determine this threshold? A lot of the times, a death is the wake up call.
        1. bmitc · · focus · HN ↗
          It seems like you need a road as soon as cars and people mix, does it not?
          1. s1artibartfast · · focus · HN ↗
            Yet you can go many so many places where that is not the case. It also takes people to build and designate them
            1. rightnutwingjob · · focus · HN ↗
              Show me one example where people and cars use a shared space that isn’t also a road. Or a street, or boulevard, or whatever.
              1. michael1999 · · focus · HN ↗
                The internals of Barcelona super-blocks are mixed spaces, with cars expected to stay under 5km/h (i.e. ride the brakes and feather the clutch) at all times. Many old-city areas are primarily pedestrian with cars allowed as 2nd-class visitors. Agree that this is rare in the USA.
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