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Updated Google Maps shows destruction of the city of Rafah

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bognition · 1790616426 · focus · HN ↗
Its really telling to see the destruction limited to where the structures used to be rather than to all of the surrounding green spaces. If the destruction of civilian dwellings was purely an accident you'd expect to see the destruction spread evenly over the area. Instead it looks much more like a prolonged set of surgical strikes to destroy the buildings while preserving as much of the surrounding areas as possible.
For a great example of this, look at this pin <a href="https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZcMbdFcx87PrqoYNA" rel="nofollow">https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZcMbdFcx87PrqoYNA
And here's a pin of where the farms were spared <a href="https://maps.app.goo.gl/iZbbTH4iH27FCz4s9" rel="nofollow">https://maps.app.goo.gl/iZbbTH4iH27FCz4s9
1. biimugan · 1790619643 · focus · HN ↗
  I don't quite understand your argument here. In your first pin I'm struggling to find a single building that isn't leveled, or at least severely damaged. Even buildings far away from the city center in the boonies are leveled.
  1. cogman10 · 1790637175 · focus · HN ↗
    They are saying that this is genocidal destruction. In a war sometimes civilian infrastructure is hit as collateral. But here, all infrastructure is destroyed and it's clear this wasn't done by 1 or 2 errant bombs but rather because of direct targeting. It can't be argued to be an accident because in farmland you see no bombs which hit the farmland by mistake. In other-words, this is entirely purposeful.
    tgsovlerkhgsel · 1790657626 · focus · HN ↗
    Looks the same in Ukraine, and at least there it's most likely not primarily because Russians wanted flatten the city (I'm sure they'd have preferred taking it in one piece) but rather because fighting happens from buildings resulting in the buildings getting targeted.
    Doesn't mean that here the targeting couldn't have been done with the primary goal of displacing the population, but the buildings being destroyed doesn't prove the motive.
    newspaper1 · 1790657998 · focus · HN ↗
    Does it look the same in the Ukraine? I haven’t seen any footage of entire cities leveled like this.
    TiredOfLife · 1790659982 · focus · HN ↗
    <a href="https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-26/damage-data-reveals-extent-of-vicious-russian-tactics/101070918" rel="nofollow">https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-26/damage-data-reveals-e...
    <a href="https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/5/24/satellite-images-show-scale-of-destruction-in-bakhmut-ukraine" rel="nofollow">https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/5/24/satellite-...
    And that just from the start of war.
    megous · 1790667309 · focus · HN ↗
    Yeah, we can look at how Mariupol looks on satellite images. It looks nothing like Rafah. You have to be completely blind to not see the difference.
    virgilp · 1790674857 · focus · HN ↗
    Here: <a href="https://maps.app.goo.gl/TncezF72LxaWAKYY7" rel="nofollow">https://maps.app.goo.gl/TncezF72LxaWAKYY7
    brabel · 1790679871 · focus · HN ↗
    That’s Bahkmut which is still close to the frontline. They were talking about Mariupol which the Russians have actually rebuilt already, see here: <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mariupol,+Donetsk+Oblast,+Ukraine,+87500/@47.1012584,37.5358044,15z/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x40e6e6a7bee7582b:0xa5d118300a75b5ce!8m2!3d47.097133!4d37.543367!16zL20vMDRmcHZz?utm_campaign=ml-le-16204869&g_ep=Eg1tbF8yMDI2MDkyMl8wIOC7DCoASAJQAg%3D%3D" rel="nofollow">https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mariupol,+Donetsk+Oblast,+...
    wongarsu · 1790682280 · focus · HN ↗
    "Russia is claiming it as theirs for the last four years and has largely rebuilt it" is not really counter-evidence to destruction during the fighting
    Mariupol probably did see less destruction. But for the actively contested regions, the biggest difference between Russian destruction and Israeli destruction is that the Russians use artillery, which leaves shells of buildings standing, while Israel uses bulldozers that are a lot more thorough in leaving no stone on the other
    someonebaggy · 1790716297 · focus · HN ↗
    Also the Palestinian buildings are practically made of cardboard because that's all the supplies they can get (because mysteriously supplies keep not arriving, oh well, no way to know why they don't)

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