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Getting out of the way: my robotics crash course

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  1. Mystery-Machine · · focus · HN ↗
    Anyone tried using Jev for fast AI robot decisions? Would it make sense?
    1. thomasikzelf · · focus · HN ↗
      What kind of decisions though? jev does not output joint angles, and if it did it also needs to know how. It also does not take in images.
      1. WildGreenLeave · · focus · HN ↗
        As a proof of concept I've been working on a Jev style vision model that can rapidly answer boolean and choice questions based on images (See [0] but not the point of this comment). One of the reasons I wanted to make this concept is because I was also thinking about exactly what the parent comment suggests. I just haven't gotten around to getting (3d printing) a robot arm yet :)

        [0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;huggingface.co&#x2F;MeerDevelopment&#x2F;Qevi-2B" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;huggingface.co&#x2F;MeerDevelopment&#x2F;Qevi-2B

        1. thomasikzelf · · focus · HN ↗
          Nice work! Vision on the qwen models works very good. Jev is a really neat idea. I tried replicating jev style with qwen models using max 1 token output, which works great. How does this compare to that in terms of speed?
          1. WildGreenLeave · · focus · HN ↗
            The problem is that with max 1 token it is not 100% guaranteed that it will be a yes&#x2F;no or a score. This model (and engine) solves that by taking the probability of the yes&#x2F;no token. For 1 question it is faster but not a whole lot, the power comes from being able to ask more then 1 questions for merely a few ms extra per question.

            E.g. 1 question would be 300ms but 30 questions would be 360ms total. Most of the time comes from the image decoding.

        2. systemerror · · focus · HN ↗
          hot dog or not hot dog!?
      2. Mystery-Machine · · focus · HN ↗
        I&#x27;ve seen on X that someone made a self driving car driven by Jev. I didn&#x27;t check in details what it was about. I suppose you could give it some finite set of answers. Just wondering if someone tried it.
        1. thomasikzelf · · focus · HN ↗
          With a car I can imagine asking questions like &quot;am I on the left side of the lane&quot;, &quot;am I closer then 10 meter to the next car&quot; which feel like questions the current models could answer. I see models understanding the calibration of the robot. Maybe you could have a jev style model make decisions like &quot;move left&quot;, &quot;activate gripper&quot; and do the inverse kinematics in a different system.
    2. ainch · · focus · HN ↗
      I know someone that&#x27;s mucking about with it in a hierarchical control setup. I think the awkward thing is that you need to have prespecified options for it to choose from, rather than have a model that can specify arbitrary joint positions or target poses.
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