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Blindsight (Watts Novel)

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  1. sxp · · focus · HN ↗
    This is one of my favorite books and it&#x27;s fun to read for anyone interested in the AI consciousness debate. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hpmorpodcast.com&#x2F;blindsided-00-announcement&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hpmorpodcast.com&#x2F;blindsided-00-announcement&#x2F; is a podcast that read the book last year. And <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blindsight.space&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blindsight.space&#x2F; is a Watts&#x27; approved website that has a short film&#x2F;movie trailer for the book.
    1. SigmundA · · focus · HN ↗
      I read Blindsight long before modern LLM AI came about and at the time I thought the aliens being intelligent without being conscious was fascinating and gave me a different perspective that those things could be separated but it didn&#x27;t have and direct application.

      Learning how modern AI&#x27;s respond immediately made me think about how Rorschach was communicating with the crew and how current LLM AI&#x27;s might be considered intelligent while not conscious.

      <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Blindsight_(Watts_novel)#Consciousness" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Blindsight_(Watts_novel)#Consc...

      1. throw310822 · · focus · HN ↗
        How do you even know that LLMs are not conscious?

        I&#x27;ve just skimmed the Wikipedia entry you linked:

          &quot;Our cousins lie about the family tree,&quot; Sascha replied, &quot;with nieces and nephews and Neanderthals. We do not like annoying cousins.&quot;
        &quot;Sascha muted the channel and gave us a look that said Could it be any more obvious? &quot;It couldn&#x27;t have parsed that. There were three linguistic ambiguities in there. It just ignored them.&quot;

        So it turns out I&#x27;m not conscious either and incapable of semantic understanding, because I&#x27;ve ignored the ambiguities too. Though note that parsing ambiguous sentences used to be exactly what pre-LLM AIs could not do, and what we thought of as requiring real understanding.

        1. adastra22 · · focus · HN ↗
          They can’t, because consciousness is ill defined. It means something different to every person that engages in this debate.
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