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1. sscaryterry · 1790987232 · focus · HN ↗

   Imagine how big Apple would/could be if they embraced open hardware. They do have a moat here. macOS is so bloated, I hate it, but the hardware is just so much better than anything else.

   1. MBCook · 1790989940 · focus · HN ↗

      Apple is a vertical company. They don’t WANT to sell you hardware. They don’t want to sell you software.

      They only want to sell the whole package. You might as well ask the Catholic Church to start a rap music 8-track only record club. Same probability.

      The hardware is a means to an end, and nothing else to them.

      1. aurareturn · 1791007796 · focus · HN ↗

         Nuvia started because a few Apple engineers wanted to make server CPUs and sell them. Apple management didn’t want to do it so they left and started their own company. They were acquired by Qualcomm.

         There are talks of John Ternus potentially selling Apple Silicon for server and AI use.

         <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.macrumors.com&#x2F;2026&#x2F;09&#x2F;16&#x2F;apple-may-return-to-server-market&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.macrumors.com&#x2F;2026&#x2F;09&#x2F;16&#x2F;apple-may-return-to-ser...

         1. pjmlp · 1791008321 · focus · HN ↗

            And how are Nuvia folks going for their server dreams?

            Cause neither Apple is bringing back OS X Server, nor Qualcom is that great on server space, other than now maybe with their Modular acquisition.

            1. aurareturn · 1791010647 · focus · HN ↗

               Nuvia cores are beating stock Arm cores in benchmarks so far. It seems like a pretty good acquisition for Qualcomm.

               They are releasing a server cpu soon I believe. It’s called Dragonfly C1000.

               1. stevefan1999 · 1791011947 · focus · HN ↗

                  Pretty much soon. Nuvia&#x27;s design has been incorporated into 8 Elite and X Elite&#x2F;Plus series. It was generational leaps ahead of 8 Gen 3, where 8 Elite is already close to Apple M1.

                  I&#x27;m looking for a cheap 8 Elite phone to root it and run a special kernel module that let me run LXC containers and run arbitrary Linux ARM64 program. And run a couple of services on it, maybe I can port Kubernetes whatsoever

                  1. pjmlp · 1791012398 · focus · HN ↗

                     The point was which hyperscalers are buying them.

                     1. aurareturn · 1791022112 · focus · HN ↗

                        Meta

                        1. pjmlp · 1791027997 · focus · HN ↗

                           Production starting in 2028....
               2. pjmlp · 1791012358 · focus · HN ↗

                  So yet to happen and prove their worth on the market?

                  1. aurareturn · 1791022143 · focus · HN ↗

                     Correct, not proven. Apple doesn&#x27;t have a product, nor is it guaranteed they will sell to external customers. Qualcomm hasn&#x27;t shipped yet.

                     No one is saying they&#x27;re proven.

         2. nicoburns · 1791028748 · focus · HN ↗

            &gt; here are talks of John Ternus potentially selling Apple Silicon for server and AI use.

            At the very least they ought to consider doing a macOS-based server chip. Given how many providers are racking Mac Minis these days. It&#x27;s mostly for CI testing for code deployed to Apple platforms, so it very much supports their business.

            1. lproven · 1791031255 · focus · HN ↗

               Time to relaunch XServe.
            2. aurareturn · 1791042270 · focus · HN ↗

               I think so. It makes too much sense to at least sell virtual macOS servers.

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