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On social reality in China

255 points · 261 comments · thicTurtlLverXX

  1. HeavenFox · · focus · HN ↗
    I am Chinese living in America.

    All the authors observations ring true, and they all stem from one simple fact: China was a very poor country just forty years ago, and even today is only a middle income country.

    The uncomfortable truth is a lot of the things westerners take for granted are, in fact, luxuries. Arts and creativity is a luxury. Freedom to pursue passion is a luxury. Compassion is a luxury. Self-esteem is a luxury. If you barely have enough food to feed your family, as a significant number of Chinese people were in the 60s and 70s, you cannot afford any of these.

    China has grown richer at a remarkable rate, but the mentality shift can take generations.

    1. lenerdenator · · focus · HN ↗
      I would say that compassion is not a luxury; it's a necessity for human society to operate.

      Societies thrive when humans cut each other a little slack. They die when people are constantly looking for ways to take advantage of others.

      1. talon8635 · · focus · HN ↗
        Severely competitive and hopeless environments will do a hell of a job on human compassion.

        Read about the dehumanizing effects of concentration camps on individuals hiding food from their family or praying their father dies so they can get his food

        Its arguable that our ability to build luxurious enough societies has allowed out compassion to flourish far beyond what is witnessed elsewhere in the state of nature

        1. watwut · · focus · HN ↗
          Concentration camps were created, engineered and run by rich people. Whatever lack of perfect compasion and fight for scraps you see inside, comparably rich people making conscious choice to create them, support them, work in them, profit from them have less of it.
          1. talon8635 · · focus · HN ↗
            This perspective is drenched in 2026 cliche. If that’s your grand take on concentration camps, you ought to touch literary grass
            1. watwut · · focus · HN ↗
              I dont know what you mean there. It was just historical fact about who build them and run them.

              They did not emerged as force of nature out of ground. They were intentionally and conciously build. And guards were well fed.

              And in here, when you use inmates lack of compassion as example of powerty causimg lack of it, you absolutely should compare to compassion of builders and guards.

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