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On social reality in China

255 points · 261 comments · thicTurtlLverXX

  1. HeavenFox · · focus · HN ↗
    I am Chinese living in America.

    All the authors observations ring true, and they all stem from one simple fact: China was a very poor country just forty years ago, and even today is only a middle income country.

    The uncomfortable truth is a lot of the things westerners take for granted are, in fact, luxuries. Arts and creativity is a luxury. Freedom to pursue passion is a luxury. Compassion is a luxury. Self-esteem is a luxury. If you barely have enough food to feed your family, as a significant number of Chinese people were in the 60s and 70s, you cannot afford any of these.

    China has grown richer at a remarkable rate, but the mentality shift can take generations.

    1. lenerdenator · · focus · HN ↗
      I would say that compassion is not a luxury; it's a necessity for human society to operate.

      Societies thrive when humans cut each other a little slack. They die when people are constantly looking for ways to take advantage of others.

      1. fuzzythrowaway · · focus · HN ↗
        Which is why I think the whole premise of GP is kind of suspect. China has housed a highly-developed society - not just a civilization, but a contiguous, if evolving, social order - for longer than most of the rest of the world. Even what they consider backwoods and rural is basically urban by most historical standards.

        These aren't the problems of a society rising out of a state of nature; as TFA states, "The narrative is that China experienced a “century of humiliation”". I think certain aspects of Chinese culture as we know it, writ-large, make more sense coming from people who weren't just recently struggling as a society, but who are well aware of how that condition compares to their historical one.

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