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1. StrauXX · 1790922183 · focus · HN ↗

   I don't see much of a future for these kinds of intricate harnesses, or harnessing in general for that matter. As models are getting better, harnessing will shrink until they are at the level of vanilla Pi or not even that.

   1. throwa356262 · 1790922932 · focus · HN ↗

      On the contrary, I belive this will be the next battlefield.

      My wild theory is that we already have AGI level models, but we are not yet using them correctly.

      1. StrauXX · 1790923193 · focus · HN ↗

         If we had AGI, they could per definition build a harness better than any human could. In such a regime, (human) pre-built harnesses are moot.

         1. throwa356262 · 1790924039 · focus · HN ↗

            We maybe need an AGI level harness and an AGI level model to get there and we currently only have one of those?
         2. 010ED67913 · 1790925835 · focus · HN ↗

            agi is artificial general intelligence. sol5.6, astra, fable are already wildly more intelligent than the average person. we already have agi. however people need to keep the moving target so they have something to talk about, otherwise the voracious appetite for novelty will not be met.

            what we don’t have yet are the tools to take full advantage of the agi we do have. they’re coming soon.

            1. bsenftner · 1790941722 · focus · HN ↗

               AGI is when AI models no longer need any training at all, because they have comprehension, meaning human science finally developed artificial comprehension, which we have not yet. Calling what we have now AGI is sycophant talk.
         3. ozozozd · 1790926056 · focus · HN ↗

            They said AGI is here. What you are describing is RSI.

            /s

      2. Octoth0rpe · 1790923673 · focus · HN ↗

         My version of this theory is that we already have AGI, but Altman/Amodei/Zuck keep asking it for an infinite money glitch and it keeps (correctly!) saying "no money, humanity is fucked given the trajectory, and you in particular will be fucked once the general public decides that you're the scapegoat". A/A/Z decides the AGI is wrong of course, so obviously dumping another billion into training or reinforcement or tagging or whatever is the next step.
      3. grim_io · 1790924622 · focus · HN ↗

         Uhuh, sure. We are holding the AGI wrong.

         1. ozozozd · 1790925981 · focus · HN ↗

            Always. Folks even believe all of us including themselves are holding it wrong.

            Kind of like how we all fail to see the bearded guy in the sky.

            1. puelocesar · 1790929359 · focus · HN ↗

               Exactly, sometimes when reading Hacker News I get the impression this thing is a cult. Luckily there's still some dissident voice around to keep it interesting
      4. bsenftner · 1790941605 · focus · HN ↗

         drives me up the wall, this shifting definition of AGI; folks, when we no longer need to train AI models at all because we have finally developed artificial comprehension is AGI. This propaganda imposed definition is for fools and sycophants.

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