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1. prasadvara · 1790886388 · focus · HN ↗

   The ongoing theme of all these responses was shifting the blame to the consumer.

   As expected. I think consumers also need to push back on these practices, but the problem is, majority of consumers are tech savy but not privacy savy.

   1. slowin · 1790887238 · focus · HN ↗

      I'd love to push back, I'm not sure what that looks like though. I can't even get an open source/open hardware phone that's decent, let alone a car.

      1. devin · 1790888881 · focus · HN ↗

         For my part, I will not be purchasing a new car until they bring back physical controls and dump the spyware.

         1. dublin · 1790896520 · focus · HN ↗

            Mee, too. And that's why I've made my peace with the idea of never again buying a new car. They're all garbage quality, outrageously expensive, and effectively unrepairable, anyway, so it's not a big loss. Probably most cars and trucks older than about 2018 are safe, I figure...

            1. verisimi · 1790917639 · focus · HN ↗

               In many places in Europe, older cars are not viable on account of emissions legislation. So, if you want to drive with an older car, you will have to pay a pretty large daily fee to do so. This is done in the name of pollution.

               I would expect this legislative approach will be rolled everywhere.

               I hate it, fwiw.

               1. devin · 1790953927 · focus · HN ↗

                  I will pay the fee instead of purchase a new car.

                  1. verisimi · 1790961647 · focus · HN ↗

                     Its about 16.54 dollars every day you use your car in London.

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                     &gt; Drive a non-compliant vehicle anywhere in London and you pay £12.50 for the day. Check your vehicle first — most newer cars pay nothing — then pay for the day or set up Auto Pay with TfL.

                     1. devin · 1790962979 · focus · HN ↗

                        Sometimes it costs money to stick to your principles.

                        1. verisimi · 1790983456 · focus · HN ↗

                           I get it - I&#x27;m just telling you what the cost in London is. Most people can&#x27;t stick paying that amount just to drive their old car. Most people upgrade.

                           For me, this is another example of how corporations + governments work together to artificially create new markets with the consumer picking up the tab. In this case, car maker sales are boosted by legislation that punishes ownership of perfectly viable cars.

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