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The AI Race Just Got Awkward

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  1. slowin · · focus · HN ↗
    I'm also grateful to the Chinese labs for providing workarounds for the walled gardens that the US based AI companies are attempting to create.

    Does anyone know if there are any distillation datasets available? I'd love to see these distributed on BitTorrent. I think it's critical that AI be democratized and not isolated in the hands of a few private companies.

    1. skybrian · · focus · HN ↗
      There’s a libertarian sentiment that that doesn’t sit well with “AI is harming people” sentiment. If AI has harmful uses, and I think anyone sensible would have to agree that it does, then giving everyone unrestricted AI is likely to make it worse.

      It’s sort of like gun nuts arguing that more guns is the answer. I mean, ok, maybe you’re a responsible gun owner or AI user but relying on personal responsibility doesn’t fix systemic problems. There are bad people out there.

      1. hyperlinerapp · · focus · HN ↗
        Gun owner enters the conversation. In high trust societies, armed people are very polite people. I don’t want the bad guys out there being the only ones with guns. Besides I like to shoot just like you like (whatever you like to do that is legal).

        Replace “gun” with anything and you will see how your comment falls apart.

        What’s next? A registry for food purchases? Your beer gut is starting to show.

        1. skybrian · · focus · HN ↗
          If you mean high-trust societies like maybe Switzerland, I agree that it can work, but the US has lots of guns and doesn’t seem very polite, so how we’re doing it doesn’t seem to be working very well.

          We do have lots of food safety regulation, which has more to do with selling food.

          1. hyperlinerapp · · focus · HN ↗
            Unlike food, guns are your right.
            1. skybrian · · focus · HN ↗
              That seems unfortunate. I think a lot of people would prefer the reverse.

              Fortunately there is no right to AI.

              1. hyperlinerapp · · focus · HN ↗
                Nothing that some other person has to give you can be a right.

                A right is not something the government gives you. In the US, the Bill of Rights does not actually give you rights. You are born with rights. The Bill of Rights simply clarifies that the government CANNOT RESTRICT YOUR RIGHTS.

        2. BigTTYGothGF · · focus · HN ↗
          > In high trust societies, armed people are very polite people

          Surely you could name three such societies?

          1. hyperlinerapp · · focus · HN ↗
            Just go to ChatGPT and ask:

            List 20 high trust societies

            1. BigTTYGothGF · · focus · HN ↗
              I'm asking you, and furthermore I'm not asking for a list of high trust societies, I'm asking for ones in which "armed people are very polite people".
              1. hyperlinerapp · · focus · HN ↗
                Switzerland, Wyoming, Idaho, Alaska, Montana, Czech Republic, Finland, Norway, most Rural America.

                Anyway, ChatGPT can answer your questions. Or just visit your local gun range. I highly recommend it.

                1. BigTTYGothGF · · focus · HN ↗
                  I grew up in rural America.

                  The original claim was: > in high trust societies, armed people are very polite people

                  In my experience, there was no connection between being armed and being polite.

                  > Or just visit your local gun range

                  Went to one many times when I lived in Texas, I think I've inhaled enough lead to last me the rest of my life.

                  "An armed society is a polite society" was originally said by Heinlein, who for all his faults would have had something to say about outsourcing your thinking to a machine.

                  1. hyperlinerapp · · focus · HN ↗
                    I grew up in Rural America too. In my experience, armed people are very polite.

                    I don’t outsource my thinking to a machine. I was asking you to not outsource your thinking to a stranger, since I am not your private encyclopedia.

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