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1. MadrasThorn · 1790684474 · focus · HN ↗

   Trump attacking the Netherlands means transatlanticism is really dead.

   I think this has a lot to do with how the case against Putin was built and Trump used his influence to disrupt it.

   1. rapsey · 1790686721 · focus · HN ↗

      The EU is entirely subjugated to the US. No energy independence, militaries falling apart and out of date, no tech development or investment.

      1. mittensc · 1790687062 · focus · HN ↗

         Maybe that's wrong?

         The US can't even win a war in the middle east without NATO

         What is the US going to do when China starts making their own moves?

         1. rapsey · 1790687333 · focus · HN ↗

            Outside the US, NATO countries have very little power projection capabilities. A bit of france, a bit of UK and then nothing.

            1. mittensc · 1790687937 · focus · HN ↗

               How's that power projection working in Iran/Yemen?

               Would NATO change the equation?

               1. bluGill · 1790690855 · focus · HN ↗

                  The US has chosen not to project all the power they can. That is send soldiers - likely some to die. However the US has the ability to send them if they want, and could supply them if they did - nobody else has anywhere near that ability ready today.

                  1. mittensc · 1790693844 · focus · HN ↗

                     So power projection isn't working out as planned.

                     Could doesn't reopen hormuz.

                     1. bluGill · 1790694510 · focus · HN ↗

                        Hormuz is mostly open last I checked. Iran is shouting, but ships are getting through again.

                        Though the point remains, the US has made the choice to not escalate farther, but there is plenty of power left behind that could be used.

                        1. mittensc · 1790694953 · focus · HN ↗

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