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US Forces Exit Iraq

78 points · 153 comments · cod1r

  1. throwaw12 · · focus · HN ↗
    Unfortunately, millions of lives lost, another millions started hating US for what it did to their families.

    I am curious what did the world gain from this?

    1. exe34 · · focus · HN ↗
      Oil
      1. mahboi · · focus · HN ↗
        This "oil" thing is a cover for Israeli lobbying
        1. gregoryyy · · focus · HN ↗
          Yeah! My wife leaving me and taking the kids is also a cover for Israeli lobbying.
          1. za3faran · · focus · HN ↗
            Let's not dilute things. The "greater israel" goal is on full display.
            1. gregoryyy · · focus · HN ↗
              It's actually just the elite class of mafioso that have weasled their way into power. Israel is convenient for them to support, as amongst other things they can test weapons on the population there. But "Israel secretly controlling everything" is a cute narrative for profoundly naive people of limited intelligence (on the right and left). Get rid of Israel and kill all the Jews - you'll still have the same class of people controlling everything, but with less leverage in the middle east (if Israel goes to the Muslims and not the Christian evangelicals or some secular corporate group, in which case business as usual). Having a scapegoat makes the world a nice easy place to understand, and more importantly makes people easy to control.
              1. mahboi · · focus · HN ↗
                Please, we've have two parties directing the public's attention to every controversy except Israel for the past few decades. And none of the elites criticize Israel even when they go against US imperialist interests. Only reason this is even talked about now is because of younger people and because both Netanyahu and Trump made things too blatant lately.

                > Get rid of Israel and kill all the Jews

                Your words, not mine

                1. gregoryyy · · focus · HN ↗
                  Why on earth would any elites criticise Israel? As a state, it serves the purposes of the military industrial complex very well - it's useful to keep around. As a public opinion topic, politicians in the west will use Israel (pro or against) to get votes or public support. Like I said, "getting rid of Israel and the Jews" (which is what many people on the left and right, explicitly or implicitly want - not to mention this is the goal of Shia Islam nationalism) - won't actually change much other than decrease the ability of Western elites to project power into the region. I don't support this goal, as most extremists do, because although I'm anti-Israel, I'm not a psychopath. Cute you think a second-rate, self-serving, opportunist like Netanyahu is secretly pulling the strings though. Watch Israel die - and then I suppose you'll be scratching your little head wondering why the technocrats still run your world.
                  1. za3faran · · focus · HN ↗
                    > not to mention this is the goal of Shia Islam nationalism

                    The fact that there are jews in Iran shows that they don't have the narrative of "getting rid of the jews".

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