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California farmers are struggling to sell grapes as demand for wine drops

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alexandre_m · 1790644533 · focus · HN ↗
> while young people are drinking less alcohol due to health and financial concerns
My observation is that gen-z spends less time socializing in real life, and drinking remains a social habit for the most part at a younger age. While they drink less, cannabis, vaping and psychedelics are on the rise.
It's a nice claim to say they are more responsible, but it tells an incomplete story.
1. thefourthchime · 1790661830 · focus · HN ↗
  I don't think the science is settled, but the idea that there's a lot more to do at home to stay occupied and entertained rather than going outside is factually true.
  When I was growing up, there were only a handful of channels and then cable. Compared to what we have now, that was the Dark Ages. There's so much you can do on a screen now that's compelling.
  Infinite scrolling on Shorts, YouTube, video games, social media, hanging out with people online, chatrooms—combine that with Uber Eats, and you can do whatever you want.
  The one thing that will make you want to go out is, of course, meeting someone to have sex with, but that's become weaponized, especially for young adults.
  Boys being called creepy and predatory for making the wrong move was always an issue, but now you can be shamed online with a video as proof. Why take the risk when you can meet somebody online?
  1. watwut · 1790662949 · focus · HN ↗
    If there is a creepy video as a result, the "move" was likely creepy.
    thefourthchime · 1790664030 · focus · HN ↗
    The move is only creepy if the interest is one way.
    This is why the memes of some guy talking to a coworker is considered sexual assault, where if Tom Brady does it, it’s considered cute flirtation
    shshsjsj · 1790664434 · focus · HN ↗
    [dead]
    watwut · 1790668099 · focus · HN ↗
    Except you made that up.
    Mountain_Skies · 1790668634 · focus · HN ↗
    It's a common meme. You can disagree with the validity of the meme but not with the existence of it.
    <a href="https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1663497-hello-human-resources" rel="nofollow">https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1663497-hello-human-resource...
    moate · 1790696872 · focus · HN ↗
    The above statement can be read as disagreeing with the validity of the statement. IDK why OP would try to refute a meme's existence and not the sentence the meme semes to be supporting. Why did you believe that was their intent?
    gilrain · 1790683208 · focus · HN ↗
    Actually, most women don't like being assaulted, regardless of the attractiveness of the assaulter.
    It's really gross that you think of women as so alien and inhuman, because this is very obvious human behavior.
    matkoniecz · 1790664310 · focus · HN ↗
    Selective editing can achieve very impressive effects, add some lying to it and you can have utterly misleading video with very limited effort.
    stefanfisk · 1790666133 · focus · HN ↗
    If you like reading sci-fi, I’d really recommend <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_(novel)" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_(novel) to get some perspective on the extreme of a life where everything you do is potentially visible to any and everyone around you.
    kortilla · 1790666250 · focus · HN ↗
    The reality is that most awkwardness comes across as creepy. Lots of people are awkward, especially young people. They shouldn’t be shamed for it.
    watwut · 1790668022 · focus · HN ↗
    Frankly, I am waaay past this bullshit argument. No, awkward does not come across as creepy on itself. Yes, it is possible for an awkward guy to be creepy, harasser or abuser.
    It is never ending cycle of "they do not understand social", "you are infantilizing them by explaining them social explicitly" while the same guys are perfectly charismatic to anyone with actual power or friends.
    laughing_man · 1790680429 · focus · HN ↗
    Awkwardness doesn't come across as creepy to you, but it may to other people. The vast majority of men aren't harassers or abusers, but a lot of women revel in the power to label them "creepy".
    If I were young I would stick to dating apps exclusively, since everyone on the app has already signaled a receptiveness to advances.
    watwut · 1790694695 · focus · HN ↗
    Vast majority of men are not accused of being creepy. I also dont know what "women in power" have to do with dating or hook ups, are you trying to hit on a boss or something?
    And I mean, yes, obviously if you are looking for hookup, you should go to where hookup looking people go. That is not something specific to modern society.
    laughing_man · 1790703098 · focus · HN ↗
    I said nothing about "women in power".
    norome · 1790669943 · focus · HN ↗
    what i've derived from my north american anecdata is that any kind of flirtation or even just talking to a stranger about a neutral topic is increasingly automatically graded as creepy. I'd say the social fabric has simply degraded to the point that people have forgotten how to talk to one another, social atrophy i guess. In my northern europe experience women deflect attention with much less fearfulness, and I'd say people just have much higher trust towards one another.
    croon · 1790676058 · focus · HN ↗
    I'm too old, and my kids too young, so the current landscape is foreign to me.
    As an outside observer, could it be that manosphere influence has an undue effect on young mens behavior, which (if true) would indeed be creepy for a lot of (most?) women, regardless if the execution is awkward or not.
    I was certainly awkward in my teens/young adulthood, but in my singular experience, the maturity and confidence didn't come from acting cocky or showing off, but just treating anyone I had an interest in as a person first and foremost, and being comfortable and even open about my awkwardness and shortcomings.
    That did wonders. Also accepting that a rejection doesn't mean a personal slight to you, nor a failure in appreciation of you from her, but merely a lack of mutual interest, which is also fine.

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