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California farmers are struggling to sell grapes as demand for wine drops

389 points · 987 comments · randycupertino

  1. ortusdux · · focus · HN ↗
    <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wineinstitute.org&#x2F;press-releases&#x2F;one-year-later&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wineinstitute.org&#x2F;press-releases&#x2F;one-year-later&#x2F;

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    1. randycupertino · · focus · HN ↗
      - Tariffs so less international demand for US wine

      - Canadian boycots of US products due to tariff wars

      - Boomer wine buyers dying off

      - younger generations drinking less overall and being less into wine

      - everyone on GLP-1s drinking less

      1. ortusdux · · focus · HN ↗
        - Legal pot
        1. sublinear · · focus · HN ↗
          ???

          THC has never been an alternative to alcohol. There are definitely people who prefer it instead of alcohol and there are people who use both.

          I don&#x27;t know anyone who thinks they&#x27;re interchangeable unless they&#x27;re solely looking at it as a political&#x2F;functional slot to fill.

          If you force a drunk who hates pot to switch and vice-versa, they genuinely might want to murder you, but why make this a wedge issue?

          1. mathgeek · · focus · HN ↗
            I believe they mean having alternative choices in what one can legally consume to get high&#x2F;drunk&#x2F;etc.
            1. sublinear · · focus · HN ↗
              I don&#x27;t know any pot smoker who ever gave a flying crap if it was legal. Let&#x27;s not whitewash the past. It became legal for a reason.

              If you feel this way about pot, have you not also considered that similar already occurred with alcohol roughly a century ago (in the USA)? Why do you think cops avoid overpolicing bars when they&#x27;d be entirely in their right to do so?

              Personal use of drugs is the clearest example in all of criminal justice where people of all beliefs have to admit there really is a much bigger and widespread mental health problem at the root of it. This is very very far from a new topic. There&#x27;s nothing special about pot.

              1. mathgeek · · focus · HN ↗
                Sorry, but what way do you think I feel about pot? I was just providing anecdotal examples to explain the reasoning of why pot being legal could have an impact on demand for wine. It’s just a demand curve relationship, not my personal opinions on the legality of pot.

                For the pot smokers who care about legality, it does matter for folks who have to take drug tests for their jobs. Several of my good friends stopped using it when that was a concern.

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