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Updated Google Maps shows destruction of the city of Rafah

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bognition · 1790616426 · focus · HN ↗
Its really telling to see the destruction limited to where the structures used to be rather than to all of the surrounding green spaces. If the destruction of civilian dwellings was purely an accident you'd expect to see the destruction spread evenly over the area. Instead it looks much more like a prolonged set of surgical strikes to destroy the buildings while preserving as much of the surrounding areas as possible.
For a great example of this, look at this pin <a href="https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZcMbdFcx87PrqoYNA" rel="nofollow">https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZcMbdFcx87PrqoYNA
And here's a pin of where the farms were spared <a href="https://maps.app.goo.gl/iZbbTH4iH27FCz4s9" rel="nofollow">https://maps.app.goo.gl/iZbbTH4iH27FCz4s9
1. biimugan · 1790619643 · focus · HN ↗
  I don't quite understand your argument here. In your first pin I'm struggling to find a single building that isn't leveled, or at least severely damaged. Even buildings far away from the city center in the boonies are leveled.
  1. skissane · 1790641897 · focus · HN ↗
    You can also see a lot of buildings demolished on the Egyptian side too.
    In 2015, the Egyptian government announced a plan to demolish the entire Egyptian city of Rafah, in order to deter smuggling with the Gaza Strip. More than a decade on, most of it is gone. The residents were forcibly relocated to elsewhere in Egypt.
    elcritch · 1790648158 · focus · HN ↗
    It also looks similar to Mosul in Iraq before and after the ISIS and Iraq and coalition forces fought:
    <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/15/world/middleeast/mosul-before-after.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/15/world/middlee...
    Urban warfare is brutal, especially when one side systematically digs in and uses IEDs and booby traps in civilian buildings.
    megous · 1790667099 · focus · HN ↗
    Yeah, this is not what happened here. You can look up Israeli articles from the time that described that nothing was going on for weeks on end other than demolitions. Basically no fighting. You get Israeli politicians repeating beforehand that Rafah will get leveled.
    They wanted to level the city, they did. That's all. There was some fighting eventually with a few fighters holed in in Rafah, but nothing that would justify this. And Israelis continue leveling entire areas the whole year after so called "ceasefire" during which there were almost no attacks on them, yet they managed to murder more than a thousand of people.
    LorenPechtel · 1790696451 · focus · HN ↗
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    mobelkh · 1790697384 · focus · HN ↗
    flattens the entire city? absolutely not, this is not a standard anyone should consider normal
    stickfigure · 1790700793 · focus · HN ↗
    Dresden, Hamburg, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Warsaw, Grozny, Aleppo, Mariupol, Carthage... war is hell.
    Sadly it does seem pretty normal.
    gravisultra · 1790703946 · focus · HN ↗
    Even if you take Israel at its word, Hamas only killed 1200 people. How many people did the Nazis or Imperial Japan kill before their cities were destroyed?
    t3po · 1790707875 · focus · HN ↗
    only 1,200 people? are you nuts? every Israeli felt the loss. they are a small country. How can you just say 1,200 people as if its nothing.
    gravisultra · 1790708285 · focus · HN ↗
    Palestinian lives > zionist feelings. If you think 1,200 people is devastating, what do you think about the 75k+ Palestinians murdered by Israel? Again, 1,200 is far, far less than the number of Palestinians murdered by Israel prior to Oct 7th. History can no longer be denied.
    LorenPechtel · 1790798608 · focus · HN ↗
    The 75k deaths in Gaza should be blamed on the side that chose the conflict: Hamas. Human shield deaths are ugly, but the blame must go to the side that caused them to be human shields. The alternative is to create a situation where evil can prevail by hiding behind enough human shields.
    gravisultra · 1790798937 · focus · HN ↗
    The Zionists chose this conflict when they invaded Palestine and ethnically cleansed the indigenous Palestinians. That you call Palestinians murdered by Israel "human shields" is evil.
    <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
    Daishiman · 1790742922 · focus · HN ↗
    This is not the argument in favor of Israel you think it is

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