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1. ex1fm3ta · 1790607220 · focus · HN ↗

   The "chosen people" do not really care about international laws nor UN resolutions. All they care is they own political agenda. This really has to stop by any means necessary. I would start by Trump not giving any money or ammo to this country. Since the US lacks missibles, what a wonderful alibi to not give them more.

   1. alexgieg · 1790612481 · focus · HN ↗

      Careful with that antisemitism language. Many of the most vocal critics of the Israeli genocide of Palestinians are Jewish people, ranging from the secular to the ultra-orthodox, for reason both non-religious and religious. And they see themselves as the chosen people too.

      Jewish people != Jewish religion's practitioners != all Zionists != Israeli right-wing genocides

      These are all different categories. The Venn diagrams overlap between them, generating several intersections, but they don't form a single unified category with merely different names.

      1. ex1fm3ta · 1790615991 · focus · HN ↗

         There you go, the word is dropped. That is exactly how people's mouths are shut whenever they mention the illegal occupation of Gaza. I am actually very aware of the Israeli population who are not aligned with the current actions led by the government. I specifically used double quotes for the expression 'chosen people' because that is exactly what they (Zionists) call themselves. In fact, they really believe their God gave them that land and that they have to retake it, no matter how many of God's creations they have to eliminate. I will leave it at that; I could, of course, add more substance to this subject, but the word 'antisemitism' would quickly come up.

         1. camel_Snake · 1790623740 · focus · HN ↗

            There are many Zionists who are not Jewish. You seem to be conflating those terms as well.

            1. ex1fm3ta · 1790624864 · focus · HN ↗

               True, noting a nuance doesn't mean ignoring the majority. While there are certainly many Zionists who are not Jewish, the vast majority of them are. A classical case of 'the habit does not make the monk,' but the monk does wear the habit.

               More importantly, let's refocus the debate on Israel's actions. Even if 'God the Father' himself were committing these illegal acts, they remain strictly illegal under international human law.

         2. alexgieg · 1790674289 · focus · HN ↗

            It would come up because it is. Whenever one conflates an ethnicity with a political movement you've moved from politics to racism (original meaning of the word, though it frequently advances into the modern meaning).

            To be more technical, I'll use Kohlberg's scale of moral reasoning. About two thirds of the adult world population thinks in terms of groups affiliations. Everyone from those 2/3 is an individualist when it comes to their in-groups, considering them as people with their own personalities etc., and a collectivist when it comes to out-groups, thinking members of those groups are generic averages lacking any distinctive individuality.

            Roughly half of those 2/3 believe only their own group should exist. The other groups might, and should, disappear, and things would be perfect.

            The other half believes other groups have a right to exist, but there must be a set of hard rules governing, with an iron fist if needed, all interactions between groups, to make sure society as a whole remains stable. Evidently, their own group knows what set of rules is the best to govern inter-group relations, so they fight about which rule sets to apply.

            If someone thinks in terms of groups above that of individuals, one's inserted in one side or another of those 2/3, and need to literally grow up (literally, it's a psychological process that happens with age) into true individualism, that is, considering every single person an individual, thinking about them, and treating them, as such, no exceptions.

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