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Has Violence Against Teachers Become Accepted by Society?

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Ambolia · 1790606557 · focus · HN ↗
That the whole article can be seen as a masterpiece of talking around the obvious while avoiding stepping on the mine. Obvious rules cannot be applied systematically because certain government metrics would look bad. Goodhart's law, any explicit metric will be immediately optimized. And this is people optimizing metrics as best as they can in play. I'll leave the obvious as an exercise for the reader.
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law
1. dash2 · 1790607028 · focus · HN ↗
  Why not just say what you mean? This sort of nudge nudge wink wink stuff is so weird.
  1. vlyan · 1790608758 · focus · HN ↗
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    mahboi · 1790609160 · focus · HN ↗
    What's the metric optimized here, minimize black students expelled?
    DaSHacka · 1790612508 · focus · HN ↗
    Yes, or rather "minimize frivolous civil rights lawsuits", which would come as a downstream of having skewed racial expulsion rates.
    mahboi · 1790618308 · focus · HN ↗
    If it's really this, seems there needs to be some state or federal pushback against these lawsuits. Cause idk about schools, but it's gotten out of hand elsewhere. We've already seen the SCOTUS ruling against DEI very quickly having a positive impact on universities and even corps.
    criagsbkbk · 1790616787 · focus · HN ↗
    To some degree it's a concern for "problematic" statistical outcomes, but it's also anti-bias training, both explicit and implicit, giving individual decision makers hesitancy when dulling out punishments.
    mahboi · 1790651205 · focus · HN ↗
    Wonder if "problematic" and bias training are still a thing or if that went away 2 years ago. Did notice we stopped getting those trainings at work.

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