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Plunging test scores are a slow-moving catastrophe

207 points · 414 comments · vinni2

  1. dumberquestions · · focus · HN ↗
    The drop from 2018 to 2022 is as big as the one from 2022 to 2026, so it's not obvious whether AI had a role at all, although it's highly plausible.

    I suspect the bigger culprit is the optimized monetization of human attention, because pre-algorithmic social media doesn't seem to be as destructive. The fact that science wasn't as affected as math and reading (both of which rely more on attention/practice than rote memorization) somewhat supports this.

    1. asutekku · · focus · HN ↗
      Between 2018 and 2022, we saw the widespread adoption of social media and the rapid digitalization of education. Focusing on these key shifts, it seems clear to me that any kind of electronic learning has had a negative impact on education :p
      1. closeparen · · focus · HN ↗
        Essentially every high schooler had an active Facebook account and essentially every school paper was written on a word processor by, like, 2010. By 2018 even Instagram is starting to be played out. I would be very surprised to see a material increase in the share of US or western students using social media over the 2018-2022 period.
        1. dataflow · · focus · HN ↗
          You say this as if 2010 Facebook was comparable to 2022 Instagram/TikTok.
          1. ardacinar · · focus · HN ↗
            Parent comment was talking about "widespread adoption of social media", not anything qualitative.
          2. closeparen · · focus · HN ↗
            The timeline is more plausible for the rise of short-form video.
            1. junofan · · focus · HN ↗
              Feels like a hobbyhorse. The article discusses issues between the educator and the child, like:

              > An even bigger problem, though, is muddle-headed thinking among educators. Some have fallen for the leftist canard that tests are harmful and grades are racist. Some have allowed reasonable worries about children’s mental health to warp into an excuse for low expectations. Some unhelpful habits acquired during the pandemic have stuck: children are still missing more lessons than before, and many teachers who relaxed their grading standards have failed to tighten up again.

              I think we should look there and focus on what’s actually happening between the educator and the child.

              1. Arainach · · focus · HN ↗
                Like so many conservative scare tactics, this is complete bullshit.

                I hang out with a lot of teacher. Grade inflation is because if you dare give anything less to an A to a student, their parents complain to administration and administration always gives in and never stands up for the teacher. Same if students aren't turning work in - parents complain, administration says to pass them.

                Educators are underwater, overworked, burnt out, and it's getting worse - and none of that is their fault. Every year they're asked to do more with less, which is why many of the best have retired or moved to other work.

              2. jeltz · · focus · HN ↗
                That just sounds like another hobbyhorse.
                1. kelseyfrog · · focus · HN ↗
                  My take is real. Everything else is people pushing agendas.
          3. Fricken · · focus · HN ↗
            Most people were still accessing Facebook via desktop in 2010, and the term "engagement algorithm" had yet to be coined.
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