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1. ranyume · 1790362510 · focus · HN ↗

   >Run decision models locally.

   >example is a text classification task instead of a decision

   1. hbrn · 1790364166 · focus · HN ↗

      "Decision model" is just marketing jargon.

      decision model = classifier

      system one model = small non-reasoning LLM

      noul = boolean

      confidence = f(probabilities)

      It's sad to see how gullible engineers are today.

      1. verdverm · 1790369004 · focus · HN ↗

         > how gullible ... today

         that laya is even a thing is further evidence, people took that author at face value, the paper contents are incomplete and describe something that does not sound like Jev at all

         this was the period of arxiv history that led to the new vouching system, laya author contributed to that imo

         1. hbrn · 1790370966 · focus · HN ↗

            My understanding is that Laya (or whatever it was called in 2025) was yet another fine-tuned classifier, not a general purpose one.

            That said, Typesafe false marketing caused Laya to fit perfectly into pretty much every advantage that they are claiming: "system one decision model", cheap, fast, no hallucinations, structured, confidence output, parallel, calibrated. Their BS is their own demise.

            I think Laya's author genuinely bought their BS and thinks he built the same thing. Unlike Typesafe, I don't think he's intentionally misleading people.

            The only unique thing about Jev is that it's a general purpose classifier. Funny enough, they were so busy spreading marketing bullshit that they forgot to mention the only real thing that makes Jev unique.

            1. verdverm · 1790371198 · focus · HN ↗

               Laya author is spitting more BS than Typesafe, the (incomplete) papers are nothing like Jev, they use RAG and azure hosted services for calculating embeddings, with an orchestrator. Jev is just a model, Laya was put together after Jev, almost certainly based on what the author learned from Typesafe, and then backported "his" idea

               I suspect most people only read the blog post, and thought it was great how a VC company "stole" an idea and was "outdone" by a rando... without actually checking the facts. Confirmational reading bias, we live in a post-truth world with dysfunction media ecosystem

               1. chrchr · 1790405925 · focus · HN ↗

                  I don't think people even read the blog post, because the blog post pretty clearly explains that Laya isn't really comparable to Jev.

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