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Ollaya – Ollama for open-source, Jev-style decision models

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  1. pradn · · focus · HN ↗
    I'm not sure what this means for AI startups if their innovations can be copied by OSS so quickly (what, like 2 weeks?). There's "consumer surplus" for everyone, to borrow an economic concept. But we do ideally want some of the surplus to flow to the innovator, too. I know there were precursors, but that's fine - it's hard to have a totally novel idea in such a popular field. I don't know what the end game is for TypeSafe - they'd need to demonstrate perpetually better results, or compete in another axis: UX, support, custom solutions, etc. So much of the time, someone proving a concept, or it simply getting enough publicity, is enough for a "Cambrian explosion" of follow-ups and copies. Famously, that was true for "Attention is All You Need", and the general idea of "next-token prediction" being so powerful.

    We've stumbled into general differentiable models..

    1. totetsu · · focus · HN ↗
      Are you saying laya copied from jev, and released in two weeks? If so I don’t thinks it’s quite as simple a story as that. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xtxinversexty.com&#x2F;layas-prior-art-claim-is-absurd&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xtxinversexty.com&#x2F;layas-prior-art-claim-is-absurd&#x2F;
      1. cgio · · focus · HN ↗
        It a paradox when the article is claiming the prior art is absurd, but then goes on to analyse the one side and compare it to another for which most of the values (except scaling the concept) are unknown. And even for scaling, it uses the first, pre-laya instance to judge the limited schema, while overlooking that Laya is just doing this scaling. Important to note that prior art is not having built the exact same thing.
      2. kensai · · focus · HN ↗
        There is definitely more to the story. There is a huge financial interest for each side to discredit the other. Fact of the matter is, we still don&#x27;t know who will prevail. These are cutting edge tech stacks and they were just released.
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