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U.S. appeals court upholds designation of Anthropic as supply chain risk

499 points · 900 comments · cramer4next

iamdelirium · 1790353251 · focus · HN ↗
I wonder if this is going start being abused soon.
If I was Palantir or any other GOP aligned company, I would be completely against this. What's to stop a Democratic president from doing the same thing and destroying them?
1. cramer4next · 1790353527 · focus · HN ↗
  Can you clarify what a GOP aligned company is? Is that any company thats willing to do business with the U.S. government or any businesses thats willing to sell products in red states?
  1. Ydarbleoj · 1790354014 · focus · HN ↗
    Maybe it's the companies that flank the US president at events in an attempt to gain favor? Or the companies that own private prisons that lobby for immoral policies on policing?
    cramer4next · 1790355017 · focus · HN ↗
    This doesn't appear to be unique to the GOP. Plenty of companies flank to whomever is in office. Even at that local government level. "Immoral policies" is subjective and would be in the eye of the beholder. If this was truely quantiative the U.S. wouldn't be a divided nation.
    Ydarbleoj · 1790359217 · focus · HN ↗
    The mere existence of private prisons in the US is immoral. To argue otherwise, is a failure to extrapolate what that means at every level of gov and society. Weird take.
    sejje · 1790362241 · focus · HN ↗
    > The mere existence of private prisons in the US is immoral.
    This doesn't pass a basic logical sniff test.
    What if the private prisons provided much greater comfort, rehabilitation, medical and mental care, and so on? How could you call it immoral just for existing?
    Ydarbleoj · 1790362962 · focus · HN ↗
    That's a great what if despite what we currently know of these prisons and what we know of private companies seeking profit at the expense of whatever you're stating.
    There's a country in the 30's that used misinformation to sell what you're suggesting and they, at one point, had a thriving prison system that only took a little over a decade. Don't be so polyannish.
    cramer4next · 1790365145 · focus · HN ↗
    So if I follow your logic here you feel the same about grocery stores being private? Because if they were run by the U.S. government you wouldn't have 47.9 million people (about 1 in 7 Americans) living in food-insecure households? All because a private company that employs people are tryng to make money?
    SRC: <a href="https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/food-security-in-the-us/key-statistics-graphics" rel="nofollow">https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/fo...
    Ydarbleoj · 1790366048 · focus · HN ↗
    You're definitely not following my logic because of your false equivalence WRT private companies and prisons.
    If you think prisons should have profit motives where growth only comes from continually seeking punitive policies to imprison people then I don't know what to tell you. The extrapolation isn't that hard and I don't anything good coming from it. Weird takes.
    cramer4next · 1790367257 · focus · HN ↗
    I think I am because the "equivalence" is private vs government run service. The arugment is equal. There is no public service thats better then the private equivalent. Period.
    sejje · 1790371612 · focus · HN ↗
    > If you think prisons should have profit motives where growth only comes from continually seeking punitive policies to imprison people
    Prisons don't get to sentence people, courts do.
    culi · 1790372184 · focus · HN ↗
    Lol if only. CoreCivic once accidentally left their logo on a bill they wrote for a congressperson and the congressperson forgot to remove it when presenting it. Actually it's happened multiple times. Most "model bills" that are tough-on-crime are written by them.
    sejje · 1790432192 · focus · HN ↗
    Again, there's a judge at the time of sentencing, not a congressperson.
    It's funny that you went across all my comment history to post replies to me specifically. What's your name? Wanna get coffee?
    colejohnson66 · 1790445787 · focus · HN ↗
    <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal
    Helloworldboy · 1790359935 · focus · HN ↗
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    sophrosyne42 · 1790355044 · focus · HN ↗
    You mean the ones that have been doing so for many administrations across both parties?
    Ydarbleoj · 1790359287 · focus · HN ↗
    You think this admin is like others?
  2. samudrijan · 1790354718 · focus · HN ↗
    Oil and gas and the GOP are one and the same.
    Dems still subsidize O&G but they have other constituents they need to pay lip service to.
    Banking and finance own both parties.
  3. SpicyLemonZest · 1790355305 · focus · HN ↗
    I don't see a need to come up with a complete definition at this point. Let's start with cancelling all SpaceX and Palantir contracts and see how we're feeling; that may be enough to keep corporations in line.
    cramer4next · 1790356827 · focus · HN ↗
    Because there is none. Its rhetoric and its personal to you. Its like me saying I haven't spent a nickle on anything Nike because of their narative selling. Hence anyone who wears Nike products is a bad person. Its ridiculous, narrow minded and undemocratic.
    SpicyLemonZest · 1790357590 · focus · HN ↗
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    hardbass · 1790357598 · focus · HN ↗
    Telling my mind about anyone or any company is the ideal expression of free speech and democracy. Using government force against a company that refused a contract is the opposite of democracy.
    cramer4next · 1790358622 · focus · HN ↗
    It sure isn't democratic when only the top 1 percent in charge make those decisions that inflame you. These companies have thousands, if not tens of thousands of employees, that I can guarantee don't agree on statements or positions that the people at the top make as a company whole. So why would you want you punish people who have nothing to do with this. In the end its the regular employees who pay, not the corporate leadership.
    hardbass · 1790358843 · focus · HN ↗
    I am the last person to "enjoy" that openai is getting boycotted. I respect both companies. And openai themselves probably did it under pressure knowing that Trump is a thug.
    cramer4next · 1790374873 · focus · HN ↗
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    hardbass · 1790375023 · focus · HN ↗
    I don't suffer from Trump Dicksucking Syndrome so I am afraid your diagnosis is mistaken. I use all models freely, why the fuck would I care about some bs military designation, I don't work in defense. Do you work for a defense company? If not why are you so stupid to refuse to use a model for this designation?
    cramer4next · 1790457218 · focus · HN ↗
    I work for a proprietary trading firm that creates markets and liquidity for U.S. based exchanges. Given our relience on AI now on decision making and identifying opportunities we can't afford to use solutions deemed a threat to any of our supply chains. What happens when Claude says you've earned too much money and I'm not going to do that? Straight up insanity.
    hardbass · 1790375077 · focus · HN ↗
    Trump is a thug who needs protection money to be paid or he will randomly declare you or your company a threat.
    cramer4next · 1790376493 · focus · HN ↗
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    hardbass · 1790376581 · focus · HN ↗
    You seem extremely confused. You are the one who seems to suffer from Trump Dicksucking Syndrome. I have no issues slagging off Trump.
    cramer4next · 1790451294 · focus · HN ↗
    Never heard of that disease before. Is that something local to Portland?
    hardbass · 1790375378 · focus · HN ↗
    Aren't you the one who said this?
    <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49694185">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49694185
    >For me the end of buying anything Nike for my household and owning there stock was 2018. After their embracement of kaepernick and circus of marketing schemes that followed its no surprise what the outcome would be. Now Lululemon hired one of architects of all this as their CEO. They followed the nike playbook and are already suffering from it. Now their doubling down in a race to the bottom.
    cramer4next · 1790376399 · focus · HN ↗
    Yes. Exactly where I stand. I also dont use anthropic products because of their false anti-gorverment stance even though they want to sell to them. If I could i'd short their stock too.
    hardbass · 1790376631 · focus · HN ↗
    It sure isn't democratic when only the top 1 percent in charge make those decisions that inflame you. These companies have thousands, if not tens of thousands of employees, that I can guarantee don't agree on statements or positions that the people at the top make as a company whole. So why would you want you punish people who have nothing to do with this. In the end its the regular employees who pay, not the corporate leadership.
    hardbass · 1790376927 · focus · HN ↗
    How are they anti government? You keep making up stuff out of thin air. Anthropic posited certain requirements in their contract, trump pissed and shat and got them designated a supply chain risk randomly instead of negotiating or just canceling.
    If you support using AI to kill people without human oversight and using AI to mass surveil the American population, of course its your freedom to.
    cramer4next · 1790377540 · focus · HN ↗
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    hardbass · 1790377732 · focus · HN ↗
    But you said Anthropic are obviously an unreliable source so why would you believe their lies?
    cramer4next · 1790378950 · focus · HN ↗
    Higher quality? Fot what vibe coding? Do you even know what it means when they deem you a supply chain risk?
    "“Supply chain risk” means the risk that an adversary may sabotage, maliciously introduce unwanted function, or otherwise subvert the design, integrity, manufacturing, production, distribution, installation, operation, or maintenance of a covered system so as to surveil, deny, disrupt, or otherwise degrade the function, use, or operation of such system (see 10 U.S.C. 3252)."
    Src: <a href="https://www.acquisition.gov/dfars/subpart-239.73-requirements-information-relating-supply-chain-risk" rel="nofollow">https://www.acquisition.gov/dfars/subpart-239.73-requirement...
    Now why would anyone want to use a product that carries that designation?
    hardbass · 1790379457 · focus · HN ↗
    Who is sabotaging who? Why are you making shit up?
    cramer4next · 1790381119 · focus · HN ↗
    I'm not a vibe coder... Thats their claim to fame is. What are you using claude for?
    By chance, are at one of those depenceries with free internet in Portland?
    hardbass · 1790382485 · focus · HN ↗
    What do you use ai for? Is the internet faster in Epstein island where you live?
    cramer4next · 1790386904 · focus · HN ↗
    I dont use claude. I use Open AI for techical analysis of investment grade assets.
    Do you have a cat?
    rootusrootus · 1790361378 · focus · HN ↗
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    hardbass · 1790362447 · focus · HN ↗
    Collective will of the people cannot supersede your ownership over your business and its right to engage with anyone it wishes to free of government retaliation. The business is people. Feel free to go to a communist country if you want collective action against companies.
    rootusrootus · 1790363226 · focus · HN ↗
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    hardbass · 1790363441 · focus · HN ↗
    And I think the governments reaction was driven by trump's thuggery not any real reasons, any reasons given were after the fact. I mentioned those examples because you mentioned the collective voice of people, sometimes one needs reminded that unvarnished collective vote is not permitted to do certain things as rights of free expression and property exist, nothing more nothing less.
    addandsubtract · 1790358868 · focus · HN ↗
    Seems completely rational to me? Why would I do business with a company that doesn't share my moral values? I find the influence money has in politics more undemocratic than anything else.
    mpalczewski · 1790360840 · focus · HN ↗
    I doubt any company shares your moral values. Though a few of them might pay some lip service do some of your moral values. You tell me, have you audit all the companies you do business with to see if they share your moral values.

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