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International observers to investigate Swedish election fraud

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hagbard_c · 1790290449 · focus · HN ↗
Yes, well, good I say. Here's an article - in Swedish - which gives some insight in what happened:
<a href="https://ledarsidorna.se/klanerna-valjer-partier/" rel="nofollow">https://ledarsidorna.se/klanerna-valjer-partier/
The title is "Clans choose parties":
When the Somali form of parliamentarism meets the Swedish electoral system, both friction and synergies arise. It was not the communist party's election committees or voters who elected their candidates or members. It was the Somali clan logic, parliamentary tradition and electoral college which decided which Swedish parties would become platforms to channel their representatives.
The article is written by Johan Westerholm, he used to work for the Swedish state foreign aid organisation SIDA and as such has a lot of experience in these matters.
[ also posted in the other thread, here for completeness' sake ]
1. JumpCrisscross · 1790290529 · focus · HN ↗
  > good I say
  It looks like credible evidence has been raised. But I see zero evidence any international organizations are investigating in the way that term is usually used. “Have taken note of” is more accurate.
  1. try-working · 1790293877 · focus · HN ↗
    No, that is not accurate and a misrepresenation. The direct translation is "will follow up".
    JumpCrisscross · 1790363114 · focus · HN ↗
    Sure. Still not "investigate." The editorialized title takes what may have been a real issue and, by misrepresenting it, makes it look like a nutjob convention.
2. maxxen · 1790291478 · focus · HN ↗
  Ledarsidorna is an alt-right blog, not a serious news source.
  1. Leonard_of_Q · 1790295689 · focus · HN ↗
    Did you read the article and follow the sources? If not, why not? Also, why spout nonsense about this being an 'alt-right blog'? Westerholm is a 'betongsosse', an old-style social democrat. Are they 'alt-right' just because they don't do identity politics?
    ImPostingOnHN · 1790298805 · focus · HN ↗
    > Are they 'alt-right' just because they don't do identity politics?
    The entire linked post is identity politics.
    hagbard_c · 1790321527 · focus · HN ↗
    The entire post is evidence for foreign - Here Somalian - influence in the Swedish voting process with sources provided. Opposing identity politics is not 'identity politics'.
    ImPostingOnHN · 1790344225 · focus · HN ↗
    Reducing politics to an identity-based thing (like stereotyping people's politics based on their race or national origin) is literally what identity politics is. Opposing identity politics would be talking policy without bringing people's identities into it, or ascribing people's politics solely to their identity.
    "They're not like us" is identity politics.
    "They voted differently than us because of their identity" is identity politics.
    Sorry friend, it seems you love engaging in identity politics, otherwise your political positions would not be gripes based entirely on people's identity. Your post is like claiming you don't discriminate based on skin color, then in the same breath, saying that people of a particular skin color are bad.
    Leonard_of_Q · 1790345074 · focus · HN ↗
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    Leonard_of_Q · 1790340775 · focus · HN ↗
    Oh you craving down-voting cowards, afraid of anything which disproves your narrative. Speak up instead of pressing that stupid button, let us know what you think and why what I said is wrong if you can.
    You certainly don't need to agree with me or anyone else, you have as much right to an opinion as anyone else but hiding behind that button just to try to hide a dissenting opinion just proves you're on thin ice. Use that button for things which are clearly beyond the pale, and/or violate the board rules, use your voice to show disagreement.
3. onemoreforthero · 1790292334 · focus · HN ↗
  The political party "Vänsterpartiet" is not translated as "the communist party". Correct is "Left Party".
  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Party_(Sweden)" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Party_(Sweden)
  Or we can start calling SD by their proper neonazi name as well.
  1. hagbard_c · 1790322652 · focus · HN ↗
    SD was never called 'neonazi'? The Swedish communist party has changed its name several times, from 'Sveriges Kommunistiska Partiet' via 'Vänsterpartiet Kommunisterna' to the current 'Vänsterpartiet' but the program remains the same as is shown by the following citation taken from page 32 of the latest party program of 'Ung Vänster' (the communist party's youth wing, the future of the party) from their 51st congress in 2025:
    Vårt idealsamhälle definieras utifrån marxistiska och feministiska teorier. Feminismens mål är ett samhälle fritt från könsförtryck och socialismens mål är kommunismen, det klass- och statslösa samhälle
    This translates to:
    Our ideal society is defined by Marxist and feminist theories. The goal of feminism is a society free from gender oppression and the goal of socialism is Communism, the class- and stateless society
    <a href="https://ungvanster.se/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/Ung-Vansters-principprogram-antaget-pa-kognressen-2025.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://ungvanster.se/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/Ung-Vanster...
    Aside: do you really think that the ~20% of the Swedish electorate vote for 'neonazis' knowing that those same voters mostly used to vote for the social democrats and 'moderates'? What do you even mean when you say 'neonazi'? I showed some clear signs - as clear as can be - that the Communist party which these days calls itself the 'Left Party' [1] still has the same ideological roots. Can you give some indication of what it is that makes SD 'neonazi'?
    [1] just like the former Eastern German Communist party changed its name from 'SED' (socialist unity party) through 'PDS' (party for democratic socialism) to 'Die Linke' (The Left)

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