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1. boredatoms · 1790270522 · focus · HN ↗

   The US needs to get over this whole ‘punishment’ view of prison. It either a social-safety quarantine, or a rehabilitation

   1. mrits · 1790270740 · focus · HN ↗

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      1. Glemmlko · 1790271477 · focus · HN ↗

         No it shouldn't.

         It should be the understanding of a society that no human being is just 'bad'. A human being became 'bad' by a definiton of a society due to circumstances like upbringing, environment etc. and a society which failed you.

         Prison is the removal of you from society due to impatibility of current values and should help you become 'better'.

         Be happy that you had good/avg parents, the mental strength to help yourself, money, luck, body strength, whatever it was which allowed you to comment on HN instead of being in a prison.

         1. WalterBright · 1790271856 · focus · HN ↗

            > due to circumstances like upbringing, environment etc. and a society which failed you.

            It's always someone else's fault.

            1. Sparkle-san · 1790273961 · focus · HN ↗

               For a site populated by people that deal with complex technical systems on a daily basis, the idea that systems also exist and shape our outcomes in every day life seems to frequently be a foreign concept.

               1. WalterBright · 1790274994 · focus · HN ↗

                  My dad told me that the difference between men and animals is honor. And being honorable is something each of us can choose to be, or not to be.

                  Blaming society for one's own actions is dishonorable. You get to choose, and you are responsible for your choice.

                  1. Glemmlko · 1790288899 · focus · HN ↗

                     Trump doesn't have honor and is right now the most powerful person on the planet due to his access to the United States of Americas Military.

                     Society is not that easy and just because your father said something, doesn't make it true.

                     Honor is a concept and for sure a great character trait but if you don't get teached a concept like honor, you don't follow it.

                     1. WalterBright · 1790467138 · focus · HN ↗

                        I cannot think of a society that doesn't have a core value of honor.

                        > just because your father said something, doesn't make it true.

                        He had a pretty good track record. For example, his squadron trusted him with their lives.

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