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Federal judge orders Texas to air condition all prisons by the end of 2029

120 points · 202 comments · bonefishgrill

  1. boredatoms · · focus · HN ↗
    The US needs to get over this whole ‘punishment’ view of prison. It either a social-safety quarantine, or a rehabilitation
    1. mrits · · focus · HN ↗

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      1. janosik91 · · focus · HN ↗
        No. It&#x27;s resocialization. &gt; Norway has one of the lowest recidivism rates in the world at 20%. The U.S. has one of the highest: 76.6% <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;harvardpolitics.com&#x2F;recidivism-american-progress&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;harvardpolitics.com&#x2F;recidivism-american-progress&#x2F;

        And as you probably know, prisons in those two countries are not alike.

        1. vidarh · · focus · HN ↗
          Norway actually used to have prisons modelled built on the so-called Philadelphia model [1] with strict isolation. Unsurprisingly it didn&#x27;t work very well.

          It was also one of the prisons that eventually helped drive public opinion away from US-style prisons as punishment because of how extreme it was (recognised also in a 1&#x2F;3 reduction in sentences if you served there...). It was closed in 1970, around the time when the Nordic movements towards criminal custody reform started really gaining traction.

          [1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Botsfengselet" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Botsfengselet but the Norwegian page is far more extensive: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;no.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Botsfengselet" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;no.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Botsfengselet

        2. mrits · · focus · HN ↗
          Norway is certainly going to learn this the hard way.
          1. Boltgolt · · focus · HN ↗
            I wish to have the confidence of an American opinion on anything that&#x27;s different than the US. Studies show that resocialization works and has worked for decades without a sign of &quot;learning it the hard way&quot; in sight
          2. vidarh · · focus · HN ↗
            Norway learned the hard way that the American method doesn&#x27;t work, and the current reoffending rate is the result of half a century of moving the other direction.
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