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1. dzonga · 1790195655 · focus · HN ↗

   services like door-dash are literally built on a concept of a sucker pays more. you order a meal that costs $10. total charge comes to $25. then delivery worker made $5 on that order. + the delivery worker expects a tip.

   which means the company sees both the delivery worker and the person who ordered as suckers. no wonder ride-share companies jumped onto food-delivery.

   1. sokoloff · 1790197194 · focus · HN ↗

      I don’t think paying someone to perform a service for you makes you a sucker.

      I’ve never used DoorDash (and am pretty unlikely to), but if I did, I would look at as paying someone for a service they provided rather than simply “paying more for the item” (and expecting someone to wait on me personally for free?).

      1. wat10000 · 1790197804 · focus · HN ↗

         It’s not like they hide anything about what they’re offering. They advertise service X for price Y and that’s what they deliver. Seems fine. If you don’t think Y is worth it for X then don’t use it.

         Now, the part where they use tips to offset driver pay is evil and people should be in prison for it.

         1. jamilton · 1790205117 · focus · HN ↗

            Most states allow tips to be deducted from wages down to sub-minimum wages for for most tipped workers. Which sucks to be clear, just saying it's not unique to ride-share drivers.

            1. wat10000 · 1790207406 · focus · HN ↗

               That’s bad and should be considered theft. But what DD did is even worse. They didn’t just reduce pay, they hid what they were doing and didn’t even show a tip to the driver unless the tip was more than the guaranteed pay. And they did this to the tune of over sixteen million dollars.

               1. dzhiurgis · 1790217755 · focus · HN ↗

                  > And they did this to the tune of over sixteen million dollars

                  So like $1 per driver?

                  Also it's not like the tips they earn correlate with service drivers can provide. At most you can be a bit faster, but generally bound to traffic? (I haven't used them tbh).

                  1. llbeansandrice · 1790225524 · focus · HN ↗

                     You are excusing literal theft to the tune of $16mm. And the excuse is that the company is so large and vast and dominant that the scale to the company is a drop in the bucket.

                     Does the theft of $16mm become worse if DoorDash was half the size?

                     If I steal $16mm I’d go to jail but it’s no big deal because a corporation did it? The apologia for this is baffling to me.

                     1. dzhiurgis · 1790226093 · focus · HN ↗

                        Relax it's basically an accounting error.

                        1. kelnos · 1790240478 · focus · HN ↗

                           Not to the drivers, it isn't.

                           Not sure why you seem to think that the company only matters here, and the workers are irrelevant.

                           (And no, it's not $1 per driver, way to argue in bad faith.)

                           1. dzhiurgis · 1790291660 · focus · HN ↗

                              How much is it then? Their revenue is 16B per year. Do you really think its worth "stealing" 0.1% to pad your numbers? Are you that naive that publicly traded company can pull this off?

                              1. wat10000 · 1790301661 · focus · HN ↗

                                 There’s no dispute that they did what they did. What are you even arguing?
                        2. llbeansandrice · 1790298781 · focus · HN ↗

                           Funny how those never seem to favor labor. I wish I could have an accounting error like that don’t you?
                  2. khriss · 1790239143 · focus · HN ↗

                     I genuinely don't understand how corporate propaganda in the US got people to get to the point where defending corporations is like a Pavlovian reflex for some people.

                     1. wat10000 · 1790252466 · focus · HN ↗

                        We’re on a forum run by the VCs who funded DoorDash. A lot of people here dream that they too can one day get funded and go on to steal millions with no consequences.

                        1. dzhiurgis · 1790291603 · focus · HN ↗

                           Nah we just don't let emotions get over the mathematics. DD does 15B in revenue. 16M is ~0.1% of that.

                           1. wat10000 · 1790299277 · focus · HN ↗

                              So theft is ok if you’re already rich?
                  3. wat10000 · 1790252295 · focus · HN ↗

                     Stealing sixteen million dollars spread out over a large number of people is still theft and should still result in serious prison time.
                  4. smugma · 1790258309 · focus · HN ↗

                     Have you not watched Superman 3 (or Office Space)?

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