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1. Aurornis · 1790183094 · focus · HN ↗

   This statistic constantly confuses people who haven't done hiring.

   If we decide we're going to grow headcount by 10 senior software engineers, we don't copy and paste the same job listing 10 times. We leave it open and collect resumes through that. At a large or fast growing company, we might never stop interviewing and hiring senior software engineers. The listing stays open for a year or more.

   There are also specialty roles where hiring takes months. I've had niche roles open where we didn't get any applicants with any experience on the topic for over 90 days on multiple occasions.

   1. alightsoul · 1790183192 · focus · HN ↗

      So you should apply to old job postings? Consensus in LATAM seems to be, they just forgot to take them down and they already have someone or in Latin America if you repost the same opening over and over the consensus seems to be the company is toxic they have a turnover problem, maybe you should say outright you're looking for 10 people

      1. Aurornis · 1790183493 · focus · HN ↗

         Some common sense goes a long way. If the job listing is from a company with 10,000 people, you can assume that they're always hiring. Submit away.

         If the listing is generic like "senior software engineer" and all of the requirements are generic like being able to program or do teamwork, it's probably a generic listing.

         Applying anyway is a safe bet, but I wouldn't invest as much energy into tailoring your resume if it's a 6 month old posting from a 50 person company with a website that looks like it's from 2009. That company probably forgot to take the listing down.

         > maybe you should say outright you're looking for 10 people

         This wouldn't help because you have no way of knowing if they've already hired 9 people or 1 person.

         The target can also change constantly. At a large enough company you continuously lose people for natural reasons, like retirement, moving for a spouse, moving to be closer to family. Past a tipping point you're just always hiring.

         1. oejxiwjxjwjd · 1790184145 · focus · HN ↗

            > you can assume that they're always hiring.

            You can, but you’re probably wrong and are wasting your time and effort going through lord knows how many hoops to submit a simple CV.

            Were submissions as simple as “here’s my CV, contact me if you like what you see”, then this wouldn’t be a problem. But when you have to sign up to the millionth HR service with the same 50 “please input the info that’s already on the resume you’re submitting” steps over and over again just to never hear back from the company or get rejected 6 months later, “submit away” is not an acceptable answer.

            > This wouldn't help because you have no way of knowing if they've already hired 9 people or 1 person.

            Yes, it would. Even if only 1 of the 10 spots is available, it still is a valid listing. Not knowing if the listing is valid at all is way worse.

            Asking for “common sense” only works if the situation you are in makes sense to begin with. Job listings are a cesspit of bad behaviour, dark patterns, disrespectful processes and incongruous offers.

            What we need is some sort of regulation on how job listings are posted and how candidates can and should apply.

            While we’re at it, it should be utterly ILLEGAL and absolutely liable to have a job listing up with no salary range or a salary range that’s too wide to give a sense of what compensation looks like—lying about it should trigger serious legal consequences as well.

            It’s about time candidates were treated with some dignity.

            1. alt227 · 1790184285 · focus · HN ↗

               This kind of attitude is why some people cant find jobs. Meanwhile the ones who just emailed their cv and didnt overthink it are happily working.

               1. Avicebron · 1790185105 · focus · HN ↗

                  This is not helpful and untrue, if you've tried to apply for jobs within the laat ~6+ years you will know it's screaming into the void. New accounts for the N+ glassdoor/indeed/bamboo/handshake/yougettheidea clones. Poorly pulling information from an uploaded resume, requiring manually editing or adding the info _every_ time. If your dilligent/dumb you writing a cover letter for each one (no AI the signal is too bad), then you submit it and wait an arbitrary amount of time for the rejection. There is a good reason people are complaining, it's asinine to put this on jpb seekers.

                  1. alt227 · 1790185509 · focus · HN ↗

                     > if you've tried to apply for jobs within the laat ~6+ years you will know it's screaming into the void

                     I have applied for, and got, 3 jobs in the last 8 years. So yeah I think I am allowed an opinion on it without people telling me Im wrong.

                     1. ghostly_s · 1790199068 · focus · HN ↗

                        Three jobs in 8 years? Seems like a red flag, we want to hire someone who will stick around.[1]

                        1. (Actual feedback I got in an interview two weeks ago, for a position no sane person would want to stay in for longer than two years.)

                        1. alt227 · 1790259875 · focus · HN ↗

                           Fair enough, dont hire me. There are thousands of jobs out there.

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