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1. api · 1790180311 · focus · HN ↗

   At this point I no longer think the US can say anything about the Chinese. Yes they have a surveillance dystopia and highly entrenched state crony capitalism, but we now have exactly the same thing.

   1. I-M-S · 1790180695 · focus · HN ↗

      You don't have remotely the same thing. You don't have high-speed trains, housing that populace who don't already own real estate can afford, a government that keeps the tech-oligarchs at a short leash and who mercilessly removes corrupt officials, functional public transit, functional anything public really.

      1. [deleted] · 1790180847 · focus · HN ↗

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      2. talon8635 · 1790181217 · focus · HN ↗

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      3. clcaev · 1790181921 · focus · HN ↗

         Unfortunately, objective... independently verifiable information is not something we could confidently say is standard practice in China.
   2. someonebaggy · 1790180922 · focus · HN ↗

      The US was one of the earliest countries to have these things. China, Russia and even Nazi Germany were inspired by the US.

      1. jackb4040 · 1790181558 · focus · HN ↗

         I think it's a bit reductive to compare China taking inspiration from America in the 20th century to Nazi Germany's explicit admiration for slavery and the genocide of Native Americans.

         1. api · 1790182481 · focus · HN ↗

            Germany copied the wrong things then, just like we are now copying the wrong things (surveillance, cronyism, absolute leaders) from China.
   3. [deleted] · 1790181303 · focus · HN ↗

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   4. jackb4040 · 1790181674 · focus · HN ↗

      > highly entrenched state crony capitalism

      If your goal is to rescue the reputation of capitalism, people have found more success just calling Donald Trump a communist.

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