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1. dcrazy · 1790136398 · focus · HN ↗

   Meanwhile, the 47 Muni bus that connects the Van Ness transit corridor to Caltrain has been “suspended” since 2020, and the extension of Caltrain to the transit center is still unfunded.

   I appreciate solutions that meet us where we are, but it’s depressing that we don’t seem to actually have the will to make a sustainable, integrated mass transit plan.

   1. 8f2ab37a-ed6c · 1790136807 · focus · HN ↗

      In the Bay Area it's easier to create AGI than reliable, consistent, clean public transit.

      1. repeekad · 1790139806 · focus · HN ↗

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         1. UnfitFootprint · 1790143305 · focus · HN ↗

            Excluding the fact that drug addicts are still humans deserving love, care and the opportunity to recuperate - fostering a clean & safe transit environment is practically a solved problem internationally.

            Maybe the moral depravity of SF breeds truly irredeemable addicts, but as someone whos met a lot of troubled people and ridden a lot of public transit your statement seems alarmingly and unhelpfully critical

            1. bko · 1790157586 · focus · HN ↗

               There's nothing compassionate, loving or caring letting people kill themselves consuming hard drugs.

               1. Y-bar · 1790158032 · focus · HN ↗

                  Loving or caring for someone is not giving their addiction a Carte Blanche, it can often be to allow them access to treatment and a path out of their situation.

                  1. wallst07 · 1790162379 · focus · HN ↗

                     Walking through the tenderloin on a bad night seems like Carte Blanche to me, and it seems cruel and unusual (except maybe Philadelphia).

                     1. Geezus_42 · 1790163145 · focus · HN ↗

                        So what, put them in prison?

                        1. wallst07 · 1790199608 · focus · HN ↗

                           Is that your only idea or are you trying to be facetious?

                           SF and CA have a very liberal tax policy, maybe dedicate some of the funds to get them treatment.

                           1. Geezus_42 · 1790357404 · focus · HN ↗

                              No, I was asking what you think should be done. I have legitimately talked to many people to whom that is the answer and I find their views dispicable.
                     2. Y-bar · 1790163923 · focus · HN ↗

                        I don't know what the "tenderloin" refers to, but I guess it is a part of a US city.

                        That's generally the point I am trying to make. By letting these people suffer from addiction and homelessness, not offering good medical and social care, you are not caring or loving them, which is a kind of cruelty.

                        1. joenot443 · 1790164291 · focus · HN ↗

                           FWIW if you search "tenderloin city" the answer appears immediately.

                           It's a big internet, sometimes people will mention neighborhoods or customs you're unfamiliar with. In my experience, the polite thing is usually to take 3s to make the Google.

                           1. pirates · 1790166613 · focus · HN ↗

                              In my experience the polite thing is to just say “San Francisco” instead of talking down to people.
                           2. Y-bar · 1790166614 · focus · HN ↗

                              This is the problem with context and language and assumptions and algorithms. Even with that I get two restaurants and one Wikipedia article on meat before I get anything resembling a city district in my search results.
                  2. bko · 1790172476 · focus · HN ↗

                     They can access treatment. There are a lot of options. The question is should we force treatment at some point.

                     Use the veil of ignorance to answer that.

                     Suppose your loved one was one of these afflicted individuals literally killing themselves on the street. Would you want to force them to get clean or would you want to make their lives "easier" by giving them some "harm-reduction" that will allow them to persist in their zombie state?

                     Or what if you were in the grips of this lifestyle. Would you want someone to force you to get help or facilitate you killing yourself?

                     I know my answer

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