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I said no and Apple said yes

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  1. downsplat · · focus · HN ↗
    If you want to own your computer, linux is where it's at. Windows is rusty iron chains and MacOS's are gold-plated silver pretending to be gold, but they're still chains.
    1. Gareth321 · · focus · HN ↗
      I would love to move my gaming PC to Linux but until the kernel devs permit kernel-level anti-cheats, or an equivalent, I refuse to give up games that I love. It's nearly impossible to play multiplayer games now without KLAC. The cheating is out of control.

      Unfortunately this is an ideological hill that many Linux devs are willing to die on, so we're at an impasse. Valve claimed to be working on a solution, and if there is any company which can negotiate an accord, it's them.

      1. cisc · · focus · HN ↗
        > I refuse to give up games that I love

        But why? They're just video games. Why are they important, especially when a lot of them are designed to be addictive.

        A lot of people love smoking but that's not important either and it's better to give it up.

        1. JimmyBiscuit · · focus · HN ↗
          What if those games are the only games they and their friends play together? I wouldnt want to stop that.
          1. cisc · · focus · HN ↗
            Having to give over time and money to a video game company to maintain friendships sounds more like a symptom than a cure.

            When your grandkids ask you what you did with your finite time, is "I pwned noobs" the answer you want to give?

            1. JimmyBiscuit · · focus · HN ↗
              > Having to give over time and money to a video game company to maintain friendships sounds more like a symptom than a cure.

              Sure, let me just quickly hop on a plane to australia to meet with some. I assume youre paying?

              > When your grandkids ask you what you did with your finite time, is "I pwned noobs" the answer you want to give?

              Yes? What kind of question is that? Youre just gonna start talking about the value you created for shareholders or your business?

              1. cisc · · focus · HN ↗
                > What kind of question is that?

                The question is what value are video games. The answer seems to be "not much".

                They look much more like addictive distractions than anything valuable.

                1. alt227 · · focus · HN ↗
                  Wow, you really dont understand the concept that people are different and have different opinion do you. You are entitled to think what you want, but why tell other people they are wrong in what they think and like?
                2. ang_cire · · focus · HN ↗
                  This can literally be said of any entertainment.

                  Ultimately, everyone spends their time on what they enjoy; there's no award when you die for doing more x than y while you were alive.

                  I enjoy playing games, gardening, and riding motorcycles. My cousin enjoys socializing at bars, playing games, and doing woodwork.

                  Is one of our hobby sets more legitimate than the other's?

                  1. cisc · · focus · HN ↗
                    > Is one of our hobby sets more legitimate than the other's

                    How are video games a hobby? Is playing slot machines also a hobby?

                    What's the difference between video games and slot machines? They look real similar to me.

                    1. JimmyBiscuit · · focus · HN ↗
                      Go play something like pathologic and come back to tell us how its like a slot machine.
                    2. ang_cire · · focus · HN ↗
                      Playing slot machines absolutely is many peoples' hobby, unfortunately.

                      As others have said, why didn't you list out your hobbies (as I did mine), so we can understand exactly what recreational activities you think constitute "valid" hobbies? That will also make it easier for me to explain the difference between video games and slot machines to you.

                    3. rbits · · focus · HN ↗
                      How is Exapunks[1] anything like a slot machine? Or Slay the Princess[2]? Or Minecraft? A blanket statement like "video games = slot machines" just doesn't work. I won't deny that there are many games that are predatory/mindless, but video games are such a broad medium.

                      [1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;store.steampowered.com&#x2F;app&#x2F;716490&#x2F;EXAPUNKS&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;store.steampowered.com&#x2F;app&#x2F;716490&#x2F;EXAPUNKS&#x2F;

                      [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;store.steampowered.com&#x2F;app&#x2F;1989270&#x2F;Slay_the_Princess__The_Pristine_Cut&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;store.steampowered.com&#x2F;app&#x2F;1989270&#x2F;Slay_the_Princess...

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