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I said no and Apple said yes

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  1. downsplat · · focus · HN ↗
    If you want to own your computer, linux is where it's at. Windows is rusty iron chains and MacOS's are gold-plated silver pretending to be gold, but they're still chains.
    1. Gareth321 · · focus · HN ↗
      I would love to move my gaming PC to Linux but until the kernel devs permit kernel-level anti-cheats, or an equivalent, I refuse to give up games that I love. It's nearly impossible to play multiplayer games now without KLAC. The cheating is out of control.

      Unfortunately this is an ideological hill that many Linux devs are willing to die on, so we're at an impasse. Valve claimed to be working on a solution, and if there is any company which can negotiate an accord, it's them.

      1. cisc · · focus · HN ↗
        > I refuse to give up games that I love

        But why? They're just video games. Why are they important, especially when a lot of them are designed to be addictive.

        A lot of people love smoking but that's not important either and it's better to give it up.

        1. Gareth321 · · focus · HN ↗
          It's very simple: I like the games more than I want to move to Linux. Playing Fortnite isn't going to give me lung cancer.
          1. cisc · · focus · HN ↗
            But why do you like them? What do you get out of them? What's the benefit?

            I've watched people play slot machines. They sit there and pump money into the machine for no real benefit to themselves. Why are video games any different to that?

            1. Gareth321 · · focus · HN ↗
              I get fun out of them. I don't mean to sound snide, but do you really not understand why people play video games? I derive fun from many places, like hiking, reading, movies, music, and video games. Do you not derive fun from your hobbies?
              1. cisc · · focus · HN ↗
                How is a video game a hobby any more than playing a slot machine is a hobby?
                1. alt227 · · focus · HN ↗
                  Why do either of those things matter to you if the person in question enjoys them?
                2. mrob · · focus · HN ↗
                  A video game allows you to develop your skills and use your brain in a complex way (especially true of competitive multiplayer games). A slot machine is played by mindlessly pulling a lever.
                  1. cisc · · focus · HN ↗
                    > develop your skills and use your brain in a complex way

                    What skills? I don't think there's anything complex about button mashing to make blinking lights blink differently.

                    1. mrob · · focus · HN ↗
                      In that case, you should have no difficulty winning any major esports tournament and claiming some easy prize money.
                3. Gareth321 · · focus · HN ↗
                  To be equally reductive, how is any hobby more than playing a slot machine? It’s just pulling a dopamine lever.

                  I do not believe a hobby needs to yield social value. I believe it is sufficient to derive enjoyment from the activity itself. You don’t need to personally enjoy my hobbies, just as I don’t imagine I would enjoy yours.

                  1. cisc · · focus · HN ↗
                    > To be equally reductive

                    I'd say it's less reductive and more the objective reality.

                    > I do not believe a hobby needs to yield social value

                    I didn't say anything about social value. I'm talking about value to you individually.

                    I don't think you've answered that question. I don't see there is any value. I think you're pushing buttons to make the blinking lights blink differently, just like a slot machine.

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