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1. nbf_1995 · 1790086541 · focus · HN ↗

   It seems like it would be more effective to simply put all the solar panels in a field, and construct a cheap shade over the entire canal no? The supports in the picture are massive and don't look cheap. Also I would imagine the solar array uses more copper than a similar capacity array just built in a field. You can't daisy chain multiple miles of solar panels together, so you need an extra power line to run alongside the whole thing.

   Put the solar panels in a field: The solar array uses less copper. The shade supports don't have to hold up solar panels: Shade supports cost less.

   The best reasoning they give is that California has insane permitting requirements, and it takes 1/6 the time to build on developed land compared to undeveloped land.

   1. schnevets · 1790111056 · focus · HN ↗

      Anecdotally speaking, I have heard of a massive California solar farm in an undeveloped area that has serious vandalism problems. Junkies will find ways through the fencing at night, strip copper and other materials from panels, and cause thousands in damages and lost energy just to extract enough scrap for a fix.

      Nothing short of a face-to-face security response will deter these criminals, so there it is a challenging cost-benefit balance. At least panels in parking lots and other developed spaces have the benefit of witnesses. I'm sure a 20 foot climb up a steel beam over running water is a decent deterrent as well.

      1. swiftcoder · 1790149813 · focus · HN ↗

         > Junkies will find ways through the fencing at night, strip copper and other materials from panels, and cause thousands in damages and lost energy just to extract enough scrap for a fix

         I live in a European country, where the phone company hasn't bothered to come remove the old unused copper phone lines in the last 5 years. Thousands of dollars worth of cables running past my house alone, and no one has bothered to go strip it in the night and sell it

         This feels like one of those USA problems that would be better addressed by funding decent social services (free healthcare, cheap housing, addiction treatment programs, etc).

         1. alt227 · 1790159330 · focus · HN ↗

            > This feels like one of those USA problems

            In the uk rail industry we have people stealing copper all the time. They cut a live cable, attach it to the back of a truck and drive off. Sometimes this can yield them kms of cable.

            We also had issues where people would jump over fences into depots, use scaffold boards to build a ramp over the 2.5m fence, and then use forklifts to roll big reels of cable up the ramps and over the fence on to the back of a waiting truck the other side.

            Copper cable theft is 100% a massive issue in the UK.

            1. GJim · 1790160652 · focus · HN ↗

               > In the uk rail industry we have people stealing copper all the time.

               The elephant in the room is naming the group almost exclusively responsible for this crime.

               1. Cthulhu_ · 1790163657 · focus · HN ↗

                  Does it matter? Because if it does, it's advocating for (racial?) profiling and/or singling one demographic out, which is both illegal (maybe not in the UK since it doesn't have a constitution?), amoral, and contrary to one of the core principles of current-day law, i.e. "innocent until proven guilty".

                  But do tell, what do you think is the group and what do you think should happen?

                  1. alt227 · 1790168296 · focus · HN ↗

                     If a certain group of people are the ones constantly causing the majority of the same specific societal issues, why shouldnt they be called out?

                     1. Supermancho · 1790182702 · focus · HN ↗

                        Arbitrary classification does not make a functional group. There is a distinct difference between a coordinated group and an abstract group that is the result of external parties adding people into named buckets for their own purposes.

                        1. alt227 · 1790187892 · focus · HN ↗

                           Care to give some examples of what you consider to be coordinated groups, functional groups, and abstract groups?

                           I am assuming that your point is that prejudice is ok to some type of group but not other, but I am inferring that from your answer. Feel free to correct me.

                           1. Supermancho · 1790191687 · focus · HN ↗

                              > I am assuming that your point is that prejudice is ok to some type of group but not other

                              That's a bad inference. I was explaining the distinction that seems to be confusing the issue.

                              > Care to give some examples of what you consider to be coordinated groups, functional groups, and abstract groups?

                              You understand plain English well enough.

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