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toader · 1790007785 · focus · HN ↗
How anyone that values democracy in the United States could support any of Elon's ventures is difficult to understand.
1. AtlanticThird · 1790008120 · focus · HN ↗
  Weird, that's the main reason I purchase all of Elon's products <a href="https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/" rel="nofollow">https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
  1. thoman23 · 1790008410 · focus · HN ↗
    Привет, fellow American!
2. ctrlkctrls · 1790008303 · focus · HN ↗
  Judging by Elon's staggering success in all of his ventures I'd say you're out of touch.
  1. thereitgoes456 · 1790008795 · focus · HN ↗
    He has had many failures, SolarCity and xAI and X and DOGE to name a few, but he has often bailed them out with his larger ventures.
    Even with his successes (Tesla, SpaceX) he has built them up in large part by bending levers of government to his advantage.
    voidfunc · 1790009256 · focus · HN ↗
    > Even with his successes (Tesla, SpaceX) he has built them up in large part by bending levers of government to his advantage.
    So what? Thats called being a maverick. He is very very good at executing on making money which is the point of business.
    andsoitis · 1790009315 · focus · HN ↗
    > He is very very good at executing on making money which is the point of business.
    Also pushing technology forward.
    redox99 · 1790009348 · focus · HN ↗
    xAI is the most profitable part of SpaceX by far.
    blisterpeanuts · 1790011542 · focus · HN ↗
    About half of SpaceX revenue is Starlink subscriptions. Starlink is the one profitable division; the rest of the company operates at a loss, including xAI.
    redox99 · 1790012476 · focus · HN ↗
    That's outdated and doesn't fully include the multiple billion per month contracts.
    Anthropic: 1.25B/month
    Google: 0.92B/month
    Unnamed customer starting in december: 1.1B/month
    Starlink monthly revenue is ~1.5B/month
    chris_money202 · 1790013166 · focus · HN ↗
    Isn't this to rent the datacenters though? That's not really long term capacity if xAI will eventually need them back.
    redox99 · 1790014000 · focus · HN ↗
    Renting datacenters is their mission, now on earth and later in space (assuming they deliver).
    chris_money202 · 1790028498 · focus · HN ↗
    I don't know that's moving the goalpost, SpaceX's mission was not that originally. Some could say the original mission failed and they are pivoting, Elon will say it's a means to the end of the original mission still to save face. Some read it all as snake oil
    sssilver · 1790009393 · focus · HN ↗
    I take issue with your use of the word "bend" here.
    Can you provide specific examples of where Elon has bent the levers of government?
    brandonagr2 · 1790009627 · focus · HN ↗
    What failed with X? Usage today is higher than ever
    nozzlegear · 1790010539 · focus · HN ↗
    Brand reputation; ROI; grok the sexual harassment bot; grok the CSAM bot; his free speech absolutism position. Take your pick.
    keeda · 1790039016 · focus · HN ↗
    Not to mention the clearest indication of all, revenues: <a href="https://finance.yahoo.com/media-advertising/articles/spacex-q2-earnings-show-xs-195305496.html" rel="nofollow">https://finance.yahoo.com/media-advertising/articles/spacex-...
  2. chris_money202 · 1790009283 · focus · HN ↗
    Think we all can agree he has had staggering successes, but they have all come from having massive capital from Paypal which wasn't anything super innovative, it just solved a convenient problem at a convenient time and was awarded handsomely. Elon has put his capital to work in various ways to become successful, not all of the ways being morally sound.
  3. zamalek · 1790011497 · focus · HN ↗
    All except Starlink and Tesla are burning money. I personally don't consider that "staggering success."
  4. toader · 1790014158 · focus · HN ↗
    Multiple things can be true at once, he can be wildly successful while also undermining democracy.
  5. oulipo · 1790014260 · focus · HN ↗
    You mean because he inherited wealth? sure, that's what most losers do
3. jackfischer · 1790008433 · focus · HN ↗
  The public very much voted for massive administrative reform. Are you refering to DOGE, Elon Musk's influence on elections, something else?
  1. estearum · 1790008532 · focus · HN ↗
    As if "the public" knows literally anything about how the US federal government is administered.
    If anything, they voted for reduced debt burden and they got the opposite. DOGE failed at pretty much every single one of the goals that the public arguably gave it a mandate for.
    serbuvlad · 1790009549 · focus · HN ↗
    > As if "the public" knows literally anything
    Ah, yes, democracy!, except for when the public is wrong.
    Who decides when the public is wrong? We do! Who decides "what the public voted for"? We do! So we are the rulers? No, of course, not, this is democracy.
    You want to become the decider of when the public is wrong and of what the public voted for? TYRANT! TYRANT!
    verdverm · 1790010464 · focus · HN ↗
    being ignorant and influenced is different from being wrong, the american electorate is well known to be under informed
    half of voters don't pay any attention to politics until the week or two before voting
    estearum · 1790012772 · focus · HN ↗
    No, the claim above is "I know the voters' intent behind their vote based on who they voted for."
    This is simply epistemologically incorrect. It's obviously incorrect in this case because voters writ large do not have any idea how the government is administered and how to improve it, so even if they claimed to be voting for that, it would not necessarily be an endorsement of any particular approach.
    More specifically we know it's not true in this case because there are polls. Voters didn't even claim to care about this! "How the government is administered" was not a high salience issue to voters. Simple as that.
    Nonetheless, I didn't suggest anything about overriding their votes. It sounds like you have some sensitive spots to work through (someone obliquely criticizing your idol for sucking at his job?)
  2. maelito · 1790008696 · focus · HN ↗
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    KyleTheDev · 1790008920 · focus · HN ↗
    Only sheep call other people sheep.
    Sheep often like to think themselves the wolf or coyote, it would seem.
    jml78 · 1790009473 · focus · HN ↗
    Holy shit, what his whole speech. Yes go watch it. There is zero way. Zero it wasn’t a Nazi salute.
    Fuck, it is like the denial around Jan 6th. Those idiots we’re live streaming that shit. I watched it go down live. Now they say they weren’t violent.
    We can’t have discourse when we have legit video evidence and people refuse to open their eyes and choose to deny reality
    sejje · 1790010323 · focus · HN ↗
    Why would he make a Nazi salute and then shit all over Nazi ideology?
    Which Nazi ideologies do you think he embraces? How do you reconcile all the Nazi ideologies he rejects?
    oulipo · 1790014325 · focus · HN ↗
    When did he "shit over nazi ideology"? He mentioned multiple times he favors white supremacy, and hates "empathy", how many more clues do you need?
    nancyminusone · 1790014904 · focus · HN ↗
    He thinks it's funny and a big joke.
    butlike · 1790016029 · focus · HN ↗
    "Hey bro, you have a lot of money but bet you can't do a nazi salute on live television"
    "You're on, bro"
  3. nibbleyou · 1790008740 · focus · HN ↗
    I personally don't like him using his position to spread fake news and racist propaganda
4. ls612 · 1790008493 · focus · HN ↗
  Hardly seems worse than supporting Dario’s antics at least vis a vis AI. There are no saints in this industry, only a panoply of flawed humans.
5. Romanulus · 1790009252 · focus · HN ↗
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