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1. kokonokko1337 · 1790001818 · focus · HN ↗

   > "It also happens to be a Mac, with an operating system that looks nice and doesn’t suck"

   Yes Apple has some of the best hardware out there, albeit overpriced. But the software is such a hindrance and I can't take anyone that states otherwise seriously. If only it had proper Linux support (and the Asahi people do an amazing job but you can reverse-engineer only so many stuff with limited funding, and then you have to do it again for new models). MacOS is good if you just want to have a standard experience, which to be fair is most people. It's good for just setting up an LLM server I guess since the hardware is a perfect fit. I wouldn't touch it otherwise.

   1. steve1977 · 1790009867 · focus · HN ↗

      What exactly is missing from macOS that makes you feel the need for Linux?

      I get it on Windows systems, at least when someone wants to use Linux-type tooling. But macOS already supports pretty much all of that natively?

      1. RunSet · 1790011686 · focus · HN ↗

         > What exactly is missing from macOS that makes you feel the need for Linux?

         For starters, the source code.

         1. steve1977 · 1790013119 · focus · HN ↗

            And why would you need that to run LLMs?

            Apart from that, for the UNIX part, the source is available for quite a few components:

            <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;apple-oss-distributions" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;apple-oss-distributions

            notably also the kernel

            <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;apple-oss-distributions&#x2F;xnu" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;apple-oss-distributions&#x2F;xnu

            1. throw0101c · 1790014397 · focus · HN ↗

               &gt; Apart from that, for the UNIX part, the source is available for quite a few components:

               Strictly speaking, Apple can claim to ship a UNIX® operating system:

               * <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.opengroup.org&#x2F;openbrand&#x2F;register&#x2F;apple.htm" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.opengroup.org&#x2F;openbrand&#x2F;register&#x2F;apple.htm

               * <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.opengroup.org&#x2F;openbrand&#x2F;register&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.opengroup.org&#x2F;openbrand&#x2F;register&#x2F;

               1. steve1977 · 1790014490 · focus · HN ↗

                  Yeah for a while they used that in marketing copy actually, but it&#x27;s been a while I think.
               2. Danox · 1790033773 · focus · HN ↗

                  Darwin is still available. Open source no one’s picked up the gauntlet…
               3. bigyabai · 1790219894 · focus · HN ↗

                  Strictly speaking, Apple cannot. macOS as-shipped cannot complete the UNIX v3 certification test suite until you:

                    disable System Integrity Protection, enable the root account, enable core file generation, disable timeout coalescing, mount any APFS partitions with the strictatime option, format your APFS partitions case-sensitive (by default, APFS is case-insensitive, so you’ll need to reinstall), disable Spotlight, copy the binaries uucp, uuname, uustat, and uux from /usr/bin to /usr/local/bin and the binaries uucico and uuxqt from /usr/sbin to /usr/local/bin, set the setuid bit on all of these binaries, add /usr/local/bin to your PATH before /usr/bin and /usr/sbin, enable the uucp service, and handle the mystery issues listed in the four Temporary Waivers.
                  

                  <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.osnews.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;141633&#x2F;apples-macos-unix-certification-is-a-lie&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.osnews.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;141633&#x2F;apples-macos-unix-certif...

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