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1. prodigycorp · 1790004466 · focus · HN ↗

   Man, I'm already burnt out on all this jev talk.

   The one thing jev has going for it is a dedicated company focused entirely on making the product good and keeping it maintained. I haven't been willing to jump on board with all these jev-shaped projects because their releases feel driven mostly by opportunism. I'm fine waiting a bit for the opportunists to shake out so we can see who is genuinely committed to bringing something valuable to the open-weight community.

   Jev is much better than the traditional ML crowd gives it credit for, but my enthusiasm hits a wall when it comes to their data policy. It is completely draconian. Whatever you feed into the system, they retain.

   The jev team needs to release a ZDR product, or their platform is dead on arrival. An open, jev-shaped model will win out solely on that basis.

   1. kerwioru9238492 · 1790004930 · focus · HN ↗

      <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;typesafe.ai&#x2F;legal&#x2F;privacy-policy" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;typesafe.ai&#x2F;legal&#x2F;privacy-policy

      In their privacy policy they say

      We (1) will not train or fine tune any artificial intelligence or machine learning models on Input, and (2) will not disclose any Input to a third party other than our service providers.

      1. prodigycorp · 1790005168 · focus · HN ↗

         Yeah but they reserve the right to retain the data virtually indefinitely.

         These aren’t acceptable terms on a personal or corporate level. I’ve seen some fools brag about proxying their life through jev. Messages, emails, LLM calls, files.

         1. zambal · 1790008865 · focus · HN ↗

            According to <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.typesafe.ai&#x2F;legal" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.typesafe.ai&#x2F;legal they do offer ZDR for enterprise customers.

            1. prodigycorp · 1790009863 · focus · HN ↗

               I missed that. Typesafe, why is this hidden in your docs?!
      2. preuceian · 1790007782 · focus · HN ↗

         What about throughput (reasoning) and output? Or can we reasonably assume those are downstream of input and therefore covered by this policy as well?
      3. cle · 1790008573 · focus · HN ↗

         Will they train or fine tune on derivatives of input?

         I&#x27;d prefer if these companies would just enumerate what they will do with my data rather than these vague over-specific claims about what they will not do, which leave me with more questions than answers.

         1. aand16 · 1790027573 · focus · HN ↗

            They leave the door open for future, maybe novel, uses of your data... horrors beyond their (current) comprehension, I always assume.

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