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Far-left party wins Berlin election, pledging to nationalise housing

72 points · 152 comments · theanonymousone

  1. soonnow · · focus · HN ↗
    To add a b it of context. They do not want to confiscate housing. They do want to pay landlords, though below current (very high) rates. Also this would only apply to private real-estate companies not individual owners.

    And they can't govern alone, so I think it's unlikely that this plan is actually implemented as originally planned. The likely coalition would contain 3 parties.

    1. dirasieb · · focus · HN ↗
      >it's not confiscation, you're just forced to sell at a price i decide is fair

      sound logic

      1. 4gotunameagain · · focus · HN ↗
        The "free market" (which has been demonstrated to not be free at all) has no place in basic needs such as housing.

        Rent extraction is utterly counterproductive for a society.

        Housing should not be a commodity.

        1. WithinReason · · focus · HN ↗
          Who builds the houses then?
          1. mschuster91 · · focus · HN ↗
            Governments directly, cooperatives or non-profit organizations. The Churches used to be pretty active in that space as well to invest tithes, with rents paying for common-welfare projects.
            1. IshKebab · · focus · HN ↗
              Yeay communism! They built such lovely tower blocks.
              1. vrganj · · focus · HN ↗
                Yeah like that ugly drab city of ... Vienna??

                <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;lifeandstyle&#x2F;2024&#x2F;jan&#x2F;10&#x2F;the-social-housing-secret-how-vienna-became-the-worlds-most-livable-city" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;lifeandstyle&#x2F;2024&#x2F;jan&#x2F;10&#x2F;the-soc...

                1. WithinReason · · focus · HN ↗
                  That&#x27;s more like social housing:

                  &gt; an income maximum for applicants of €57,600

                  and can&#x27;t be bought, only rented

                  1. mschuster91 · · focus · HN ↗
                    first of all, Europeans don&#x27;t need American wages. 57k is comfortable middle class in Austria, especially if you have government subsidised housing.

                    as for the &quot;only rented&quot; part, again, at this level of low rent it does not matter. you&#x27;re better off renting. And Europeans have actual pension systems, we are nowhere near as reliant on real estate always appreciating in value.

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