> "When policy is politically polarized, you need more facts," he said.
Mmmm... It seems in the world of politics, esp. populist politics, more facts don't bring better policies. They are simply ignored, or accused of being lies pushed by the ennemies.
> "We have all the facts on this we need. We don't need any more facts. In the land of truth, my friend, the man with one fact is the king."
My friend was saying that we just need to show people the facts to change their minds. I showed him a pile of scientific studies indicating that it doesn't work. His response was "I still think it'll work"!
evolution -- ppl who refuse to acknowledge reality tend not to leave many offsprings. and if they do, maybe they are adhering to a more powerful reality afterall.
That's realy inaccurate. If anything the more religious you are the more offsprings you have. Atheist societies are below replacement levels. What makes you think fact based thinking leads to more children making?
OP is absolutely correct of course. "Show me the money" is the only durable way.
With the usual caveat that "evolution can remain irrational longer than you can stay alive", so no guarantees on the individual level over a single human lifespan.
given the unknowability of reality - 'facts' in science are only hypotheses that have not yet been disproven by data - nobody knows why anything exists at all -
a lot of weight has to be given to 'what works' - what things grind up against the machinery of reality and survive over the long term? there is a 'truth' to such things
make everyone's voice matter. actually listening to peoples concerns and try to address them. but also, treat everyone as being on the same side. we all want a better life. we should cooperate to achieve that. globally. it takes education. not just STEM, but also moral education. teach people to care about each other and to listen. we need to eliminate prejudice and racism and make it possible to resolve conflicts.
it's a long road to get there. but it's the only way that is going to work.
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Mmmm... It seems in the world of politics, esp. populist politics, more facts don't bring better policies. They are simply ignored, or accused of being lies pushed by the ennemies.
> "We have all the facts on this we need. We don't need any more facts. In the land of truth, my friend, the man with one fact is the king."
-- Linton Barwick, In The Loop (2009)
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdoN1LWGgfQ" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdoN1LWGgfQ
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Torment nexii on the stick axis.
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I'll happily admit I'm wrong though, in light of evidence before me
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OP is absolutely correct of course. "Show me the money" is the only durable way.
With the usual caveat that "evolution can remain irrational longer than you can stay alive", so no guarantees on the individual level over a single human lifespan.
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a lot of weight has to be given to 'what works' - what things grind up against the machinery of reality and survive over the long term? there is a 'truth' to such things
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it's a long road to get there. but it's the only way that is going to work.