‹ BackHN Continuity

Thread

The senior engineer death spiral

285 points · 150 comments · nsavage

  1. hsbalanxvxjsmab · · focus · HN ↗
    I'm a staff engineer and I haven't thought about trying to get promoted a single day in my life. Do good work and be nice the rest follows
    1. Arainach · · focus · HN ↗
      This was never really true at most places, and even where it was sort of true, it's been false since 2023.

      The ladder has collapsed. No more juniors to mentor and grow (in some cases no more US hiring period), and all of the carrots have been replaced with sticks. If you're lucky, the reward for doing good work and being nice is 'not being laid off', but the promo budget is gone and it's not like your boss gets a say in who's laid off so may the odds be ever in your favor.

      1. hluska · · focus · HN ↗
        It’s been very true at many places. It may not be your experience but that’s about your career.
        1. Arainach · · focus · HN ↗
          I have no doubt every organization is different, and to some degree different teams in organizations are different, but I've been fortunate enough to work at several employers where "staff" or "principal" truly mean things, and still have friends at all the FAANGs and many of the other companies of similar tier. They all report what I've said - the idea of just doing good work and getting promoted is basically dead. Perhaps if you work literally on a frontier AI product it's different, but what I said is the norm.
Open on Hacker News to reply ↗

Unofficial Hacker News client; not affiliated with Y Combinator.