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Measure internet censorship

221 points · 162 comments · Bluestein

  1. howunfortunate · · focus · HN ↗
    Hmm.

    I'd wager the vast majority of internet censorship is within platform, like that done by Reddit mods.

    The most egregious example I've seen in my lifetime was when old Twitter decided to censor a NYPost article, down to blocking sharing in DMs.

    It seems that type of example is entirely missed here. Is there any attempt to capture that signal?

    1. eigenspace · · focus · HN ↗
      If you count platform moderation as 'censorship' then there's practically no uncensored public spaces on the internet.

      Literally even 4chan has moderation.

      Nobody, not even 4chan users, want an actually unmoderated space.

      1. NDlurker · · focus · HN ↗
        Some of the moderation is just banning people with differing opinions.
        1. mitxela · · focus · HN ↗
          Some of the opinions that differ are really bad ones.
          1. NDlurker · · focus · HN ↗
            Yes, but some of them aren't. There are instances of people being banned because they participated in another sub. Instances of people being banned for criticizing Israel. It wouldn't be so much of an issue if it was like back in the day where there were a thousand independent boards. But Reddit killed that.
            1. mitxela · · focus · HN ↗
              Would you click a button to ban everyone who participated in /WeLoveHitler or would you individually evaluate each one?
              1. NDlurker · · focus · HN ↗
                I wouldn't even look at what other communities someone is participating in
                1. mitxela · · focus · HN ↗
                  You get a flood of people praising Hitler in your subreddit. 1000 per day You have two buttons in front of you: ban individual user (ban form takes 30 seconds minimum to load and fill out), and ban all from /HitlerLovers. Which do you pick.
                  1. econ · · focus · HN ↗
                    Then, with the same stroke of the pen you gave the proverbial Hitler lover the means to purge the proverbial Jew or Palestinian.

                    That one can only do it within reddit is of course merely a technical limitation. The idea can be implemented much more broadly.

                    1. mitxela · · focus · HN ↗
                      You know it's not something Reddit set up, right? It's a bot that has moderator powers. They can't really stop you from doing it.
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