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1. howunfortunate · 1789850160 · focus · HN ↗

   Hmm.

   I'd wager the vast majority of internet censorship is within platform, like that done by Reddit mods.

   The most egregious example I've seen in my lifetime was when old Twitter decided to censor a NYPost article, down to blocking sharing in DMs.

   It seems that type of example is entirely missed here. Is there any attempt to capture that signal?

   1. eigenspace · 1789851784 · focus · HN ↗

      If you count platform moderation as 'censorship' then there's practically no uncensored public spaces on the internet.

      Literally even 4chan has moderation.

      Nobody, not even 4chan users, want an actually unmoderated space.

      1. NDlurker · 1789853462 · focus · HN ↗

         Some of the moderation is just banning people with differing opinions.

         1. mitxela · 1789866131 · focus · HN ↗

            Some of the opinions that differ are really bad ones.

            1. NDlurker · 1789870714 · focus · HN ↗

               Yes, but some of them aren't. There are instances of people being banned because they participated in another sub. Instances of people being banned for criticizing Israel. It wouldn't be so much of an issue if it was like back in the day where there were a thousand independent boards. But Reddit killed that.

               1. antonvs · 1789895501 · focus · HN ↗

                  I had an account banned simply for pointing out that there was a spare seat in that orbiting sports car, and implying that Musk would be a good choice of passenger.

                  It made me wonder how unlikely or impossible an event has to be before it would no longer be considered a real threat by whoever or whatever flags posts like that. Firing billionaires into the Sun? Hmm, probably too close to home. Sending them light years away to fire them into a black hole?

               2. mitxela · 1789903843 · focus · HN ↗

                  Would you click a button to ban everyone who participated in /WeLoveHitler or would you individually evaluate each one?

                  1. NDlurker · 1789914795 · focus · HN ↗

                     I wouldn't even look at what other communities someone is participating in

                     1. mitxela · 1789923526 · focus · HN ↗

                        You get a flood of people praising Hitler in your subreddit. 1000 per day You have two buttons in front of you: ban individual user (ban form takes 30 seconds minimum to load and fill out), and ban all from /HitlerLovers. Which do you pick.

                        1. NDlurker · 1789924272 · focus · HN ↗

                           That's not what happened with r/conspiracy users getting banned in other forums. Yeah I guess it has its place but that feature has been mostly misused from what I've seen.

                           1. mitxela · 1789978149 · focus · HN ↗

                              You're also a mod of six different forums. Do you wait until each one gets targeted by /HitlerLovers before configuring the bot to ban them or do you just leave off the filter from the bot and have it ban them everywhere it has power to?

                              1. account42 · 1789991849 · focus · HN ↗

                                 > You're also a mod of six different forums.

                                 That alone shows that the hyothetical "you" is the last person who should be allowed to moderate anything.

                                 1. lirolero · 1790254395 · focus · HN ↗

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                        2. econ · 1789927506 · focus · HN ↗

                           Then, with the same stroke of the pen you gave the proverbial Hitler lover the means to purge the proverbial Jew or Palestinian.

                           That one can only do it within reddit is of course merely a technical limitation. The idea can be implemented much more broadly.

                           1. mitxela · 1789932710 · focus · HN ↗

                              You know it's not something Reddit set up, right? It's a bot that has moderator powers. They can't really stop you from doing it.

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