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1. dcow · 1789828104 · focus · HN ↗

   I can understand why the author feels bitter but it still feels juvenile to me. Certainly both Jev and Laya are based on the research of countless prior papers and academics. Diogo decided to build a product out of the concept. The author didn't. Publishing research papers and model weights is probably part of the problem--it feels academic. If you look at the author's profile they focus on applying AI to healthcare. Not selling general AI type safety to AI pilled companies and devs. There's a big difference there. Whether that's good or bad you can argue all day. But for the author to expect otherwise is pretty weird. I do applaud them for not stewing too much on it and trying to do something about it, though.

   1. operaopera · 1789828352 · focus · HN ↗

      I believe his qualms were with the "hype" in Jev's announcement: specifically calling this kind of model a breakthrough, without crediting previous art, and keeping everything closed source.

      1. prodigycorp · 1789828521 · focus · HN ↗

         And how is laya previous art? The project was vibecoded and posted yesterday.

         <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;NandhaKishorM&#x2F;laya&#x2F;commits&#x2F;main&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;NandhaKishorM&#x2F;laya&#x2F;commits&#x2F;main&#x2F;

         <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;huggingface.co&#x2F;convaiinnovations&#x2F;laya&#x2F;commits&#x2F;main" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;huggingface.co&#x2F;convaiinnovations&#x2F;laya&#x2F;commits&#x2F;main

         1. nandakishor_ml · 1789828748 · focus · HN ↗

            The paper is one year old. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2510.01237" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2510.01237 <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pypi.org&#x2F;project&#x2F;hallunox&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pypi.org&#x2F;project&#x2F;hallunox&#x2F;

            1. dcow · 1789829787 · focus · HN ↗

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               1. charcircuit · 1789831957 · focus · HN ↗

                  Researchers definitely do get paid for research. That Google company you mention funds research which can be integrated into their products.

                  1. Matticus_Rex · 1789832828 · focus · HN ↗

                     Sure, researchers get paid when they either do the research under contract or productize the research and sell it themselves. But they don&#x27;t usually do the latter because that&#x27;s quite difficult.

                     1. verdverm · 1789834755 · focus · HN ↗

                        Are you grouping academic research funded by grants under the contract category?

                        To me, there is a meaningful difference and I&#x27;d add a third category, but I can also see the contract angle

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