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1. bix6 · 1789772020 · focus · HN ↗

   And all the republicans will still vote red for the lying, cheating, grifting man.

   All my life I have had faith in the governments reports and statistics for the most part. This admin has torn everything down and for what?

   1. atmavatar · 1789772820 · focus · HN ↗

      For a sizable fraction of people, when the facts conflict with their biases, they choose to reject the facts and double-down on their biases.

      1. lokar · 1789773802 · focus · HN ↗

         Racism is a very powerful belief system.

         1. shermantanktop · 1789774494 · focus · HN ↗

            -isms of all kind are powerful. But the most powerful are those that give the believer a distant group of people for them to blame for all their troubles, which are often self-inflicted.

            1. anonymous_user9 · 1789775079 · focus · HN ↗

               Are you saying that calling people racist is the worst bigotry?

               1. zmgsabst · 1789775805 · focus · HN ↗

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                  1. bix6 · 1789776313 · focus · HN ↗

                     Pretty fascinating dem vs rep split. Dems say everyone experiences racism. Reps say white people experience it.

                     <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pewresearch.org&#x2F;politics&#x2F;2025&#x2F;05&#x2F;20&#x2F;views-of-how-much-discrimination-racial-and-ethnic-groups-in-the-u-s-face&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pewresearch.org&#x2F;politics&#x2F;2025&#x2F;05&#x2F;20&#x2F;views-of-how...

                     1. zmgsabst · 1789777764 · focus · HN ↗

                        We must be reading different charts — the only one I can see has consistent numbers among Republicans (50%) but high numbers for Democrats (90%) except for Whites (20%).

                        So your characterization is completely wrong: Republicans mildly think everybody does, while Democrats deny white people do.

                        1. bix6 · 1789779320 · focus · HN ↗

                           We must be on different planets since America and its institutions are majority white.

                           &gt; 94% of Democrats say Black people face at least some discrimination, compared with 54% of Republicans. 90% of Democrats say the same about Hispanic people, compared with 54% of Republicans. 83% of Democrats say Asian people face widespread discrimination, versus 51% of Republicans. By contrast, Republicans are far more likely than Democrats to say that White people face at least some discrimination (55% vs. 21%).

                  2. [deleted] · 1789776798 · focus · HN ↗

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                  3. solid_fuel · 1789778578 · focus · HN ↗

                     &gt; False accusations of racism (and similar moral slander) is the first step in dehumanizing an outgroup.

                     Accurately describing the racism that motivates the politics and actions of a group is the first step in addressing the way they dehumanize their opponents.

               2. maxerickson · 1789775842 · focus · HN ↗

                  More likely something like describing Trumpism.
               3. mitxela · 1789777009 · focus · HN ↗

                  no they&#x27;re agreeing racism is bad
            2. shermantanktop · 1789784321 · focus · HN ↗

               I guess people are reading a lot into what I said. If the shoe fits, yadda yadda.

               Others pointed out the meta, which is that if you want -ism to hate some people, a good way to do that is to say that their -ism hates you. I suppose that could be extended to third or fourth levels of meta.

         2. atmavatar · 1789788530 · focus · HN ↗

            It&#x27;s more general than that.

            Anti-vaxxers are a good example. Despite studies repeatedly debunking the link between vaccines and autism, plenty of people still believe vaccines cause autism. Many people who know someone who has experienced side effects from a vaccine start to believe vaccines are dangerous regardless of any studies demonstrating how exceedingly rare said side effects are.

            Flat Earthers are another example. While undoubtedly some of their ranks are people just trying to be contrarian, the true believers will find alternative explanations for every piece of evidence you try to show them that Earth is indeed round.

      2. airstrike · 1789774935 · focus · HN ↗

         From an outsider&#x27;s perspective, it&#x27;s to be expected given the existence of cognitive dissonance.

         I just wish people would snap out of it _eventually_

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