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Android 17 is the first since 3.x to add new APIs without releasing to the AOSP

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wps · 1789760710 · focus · HN ↗
The amount of roadblocks Google is putting up for GrapheneOS is just ridiculous. None of their decisions make any sense, from the delayed source patches upstream, to the embargos, attestation issues, etc. Google simply regrets android being open source.
1. godelski · 1789763541 · focus · HN ↗
  I hope people remember this when advocating for chromium. Just because it is open source doesn't mean they don't control it. We need to start the long process of hard forking now or turn to alternatives like Firefox as a new foundation.
  > Google simply regrets android being open source.
  Android wouldn't be what it is if it wasn't open source. With all the work from outside Google. The same is true chrome.
  But they won't learn that on their own. They are breaking the deals. So we move. We force their hand
  1. nomel · 1789763674 · focus · HN ↗
    > So we move. We force their hand
    What do you have in mind?
    JumpCrisscross · 1789765710 · focus · HN ↗
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    soraminazuki · 1789788084 · focus · HN ↗
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    s1artibartfast · 1789852615 · focus · HN ↗
    These tweets all seem extremely reasonable and resonates with my experience.
    White males don't have a monopoly on discrimination but it certainly exists.
    When I worked at a fortune 50 company my annual bonus was dependent on how many minorities I hired. When I was job shopping I was told directly by recruiters that white males should not apply, but if I know any minorities to send them their way
    soraminazuki · 1789862208 · focus · HN ↗
    Where is the data that shows there are a disproportionate number of white men among the unemployed population? Without that data, this kind of rhetoric can only be seen as a pretext for actual discrimination.
    Also, you think jumping to support someone who got backlash for claiming that only a third of the London population (aka white people) are "native" to the city and the rest should be driven out of their homes is "extremely reasonable"? It boggles my mind that people are lining up to say how normal this is. It's anything but.
    s1artibartfast · 1789869924 · focus · HN ↗
    No disproportionate number of men are required for their to discrimination going on. Its not a competition.
    Discrimination could occur at the individual level. If I fire someone the color of their skin, but the numbers balance out somewhere, I still committed an act of discrimination.
    Also,I dont care about their back story. I suspect you and I have very different understanding of truth if you think them having said something offensive means everything else they say is false.
    That sounds exhausting. I'll judge the truth of a given statement by its contents.
    soraminazuki · 1789875255 · focus · HN ↗
    None of that makes any sense whatsoever. In your hypothetical scenario where "the numbers balance out," that's by definition indiscriminate termination. You can't discriminate without it showing up in the numbers because that's how math works.
    It's also offensive that you accuse me of fallaciously bringing up an unrelated story. You said the "tweets all seem extremely reasonable," including the one where Kling viciously defended DHH's call for ethnic cleansing in London. There is no "backstory" here.
    s1artibartfast · 1789886013 · focus · HN ↗
    PS, I dont see anything I would call vicious, any mention of london, or any mention of ethnic cleansing
    soraminazuki · 1789918646 · focus · HN ↗
    The tweet clearly mentions that he "stands with @dhh" citing backlash against his "racist and transphobic views." You called that "extremely reasonable" and you should own it.

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