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Android 17 is the first since 3.x to add new APIs without releasing to the AOSP

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wps · 1789760710 · focus · HN ↗
The amount of roadblocks Google is putting up for GrapheneOS is just ridiculous. None of their decisions make any sense, from the delayed source patches upstream, to the embargos, attestation issues, etc. Google simply regrets android being open source.
1. godelski · 1789763541 · focus · HN ↗
  I hope people remember this when advocating for chromium. Just because it is open source doesn't mean they don't control it. We need to start the long process of hard forking now or turn to alternatives like Firefox as a new foundation.
  > Google simply regrets android being open source.
  Android wouldn't be what it is if it wasn't open source. With all the work from outside Google. The same is true chrome.
  But they won't learn that on their own. They are breaking the deals. So we move. We force their hand
  1. nomel · 1789763674 · focus · HN ↗
    > So we move. We force their hand
    What do you have in mind?
    JumpCrisscross · 1789765710 · focus · HN ↗
    Donate to Ladybird <a href="https://ladybird.org/" rel="nofollow">https://ladybird.org/
    jm4 · 1789766369 · focus · HN ↗
    They have their own problems. They may be "open source", but they don't accept contributions. I'm skeptical it will ever become more than a hobby project.
    tech234a · 1789767198 · focus · HN ↗
    Commit activity actually increased after they blocked external contributions in June: <a href="https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/graphs/commit-activity" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/graphs/commit-ac...
    whimblepop · 1790112704 · focus · HN ↗
    Does "external" contributors effectively mean drive-by contributors? I assume there's still more than a single developer, and it's somehow possible to be admitted as a member of the project if you have some existing public reputation.
    tech234a · 1791253031 · focus · HN ↗
    Website says: "Ladybird is open source, developed by a small team in the open. You can help by filing bug reports, creating reductions, testing websites, reporting security issues, and sharing technical feedback." [1]
    [1]: <a href="https://ladybird.org/" rel="nofollow">https://ladybird.org/
    ragnese · 1789769020 · focus · HN ↗
    Is not accepting contributions the only/biggest issue you have with the project? I'm honestly becoming more and more okay with the "cathedral" style of open source. Depending on the project, catering to "the community" can lead a loss of focus, lack of a cohesive "vision" or scope, and just generally trying to be everything to everyone without the resources to maintain a giant beast.
    With something like a browser (engine), I'm totally okay with someone saying "I'm an expert and I'm trying something with my own vision/priorities. I don't want input from random people that I have to spend time evaluating."
    seb1204 · 1789774008 · focus · HN ↗
    Yes I can relate to this. Picking good, valuable feedback out of the noise has become a chore.

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